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Poodle Jackets..... Sounds more like something we would hear from PADI.... Art. -----Original Message----- From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 5:38 PM To: Tom Mount Cc: Ken Sallot; William J Turbeville II; techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ca*.co* Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III Tom, this is slop. You have been diving for how many years? You have been teaching for how many years? And now we get "poodle jackets" in May? You don't get it. Tom Mount wrote: > > Ken > 1. It was not an IANTD dive > 2. The cylinders were not marked per IANTD standards. don't you read the > post or the standards , take your blinders off so you can understand what > you read > > Per IANTD standards the oxygen cylinder requires a oxygen wrap around the > cylinder. This has oxygen written in big words. As of May 1 they will also > be required to have a protective device around the mouthpiece. It has been > recommended for several years already now it will be required. > > Do's > 1. All cylinders must be properly labeled > A. The Nitrox band/label may be used only on cylinders containing LESS > than 49% oxygen, and it is REQUIRED on these cylinders, always has been > B. Cylinders with greater than 49% must have a deco mix sticker with mix and > mod or if greater than 85% an oxygen with deco mix and mod. IT is required > on these cylinders.For oxygen the oxygen only label must be used. > C. At the face of the cylinder (on stages where the diver can glance down > and read it) with the mix and mod on it. > D. The Mod labels or a painted Mod run down the side of the cylinder on > stages and deco cylinders > E. The highest decompression EANx mix must have protective cover over it. > > DO NOT's > 1. Put mixtures greater than 49% in a cylinder with a standard EANx label on > it. > 2. If a mix greater than 49% is to be used the Nitrox label is to be removed > and either a deco gas label or oxygen label is to be placed on the cylinder > 3. The cylinder cannot be dived with out a MOD indicated on it. > 4. Do not fill or dive a cylinder with Nitrox if it does not have a label > 5. Do not fill a cylinder with oxygen or dive it unless it has a oxygen > label on it with MOD > 6. Do not teach a student without properly labeled cylinders per the > standards. > and Do not allow a student in the water unless the hottest mix for deco has > a protective cover over the second stage > 7. Do not dive a student who does not have the visible contents and MOD att > he face of the neck on a stage cylinder so it can be seen when he/she looks > down at it. > > Now to summarize why we have went to such great lengths to identify cylinder > contents and MODs, of course it is to prevent accidents. > The system works by > 1. The gas type identifier is visible to everyone who sees the cylinder > (wrap around the neck) so it is for the world to know > 2. The MOD is so the buddy may see it and other divers on the dive as well > 3. The contents tape is so the diver can glance down and verify the mix. so > it is for the diver (on bottom mix it is just a means of quick reference > prior to donning the cylinder(s) > 4. The cover on the second stage of the hottest mix is an added preventive > step, that I think was first introduced by Billy Deans around 1992. This > makes it almost impossible if not impossible to breathe the mix without > removing the cover. It can be as simple as a piece of bungy tied around the > m mouthpiece to be between the divers mouth and the inhalation part of the > second stage. > > Why so many steps because regardless of all our efforts people still do > human errors and with this process of notifying everyone of the type mix, > the buddy of the MOD, the diver verification with the contents tape and the > protective device it is doing all that is humanly possible to avoid > breathing the wrong gas concentration. > > Again the incident you are referencing has nothing to do with IANTD > It was not an IANTD dive > It was not an IANTD diver > It was not following IANTD cylinder contents identification standards > > The diver made a human error which proved to be fatal, this is what we are > all trying to avoid it is the reason we have the labeling standards we do. > It is > certainly the safest method to cover all basses. > > Now the real problem is making divers follow these safety procedures (or > even yours) outside of a class or a project. > > We have taken steps to have our facilities start tight enforcement of these > issues. However this does not cover those who do their own nor non > facilities al we can do is hope they will follow these or similar > procedure(including yours). > > Unfortunately many of the more experienced divers are the ones who > tend to ignore these practices when diving on their own. A fact history has > already proven. > > Respectfully yours, > Tom Mount > CEO IANTD World HQ > http://www.iantd.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*> > Cc: freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed* <freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>; > cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne* > <tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne*> > Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III > > >Ken, try talking to your dog - at least he will wag his tail. To talk to > >this guy and his "board of advisors" you need a translator - see > >Rennaker and have him bring some of his farm animal buddies to do the > >talking, like Mr Ed or Elsie. > > > >Don't waate your breath, diving as we know it is done. Our organiztion > >may be the only survivor. Gavin prdicted this years ago, and Parker > >Turner took this to Tom years ago . It has only gotten worse. > > > >Ken Sallot wrote: > >> > >> Tom, > >> > >> How many people have to fucking die before you get it through your thick > >> skull about how bottles should be marked? 60' on pure fucking oxygen? > >> What the hell gives with that shit? > >> > >> Ken Sallot > >> WKPP > >> -- > >> "What's terrible is to pretend that the second-rate > >> is first-rate." > >> -- Doris Lessing > >> (British writer) > > > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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