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From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: "'Sean M. Cary'" <SMCARY@MI*.CO*>, velema@cu*.ne*
Cc: TECH LIST <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Cold Water Diving
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:24:15 -0400
I agree with you Sean, don't take it as an attack.  I also used to dive
a Rec. BC and did it on fairly long deco hangs (1-2 hours, scares me to
think about it now).  I switched when I started diving doubles a few
years ago, yes I was diving deco on a single.  I, like you, dive my DIR
rig all the time and never switch back.  When people ask for my
recommendations I also tell them to just use a simple harness and wing.
It's hard to let go of those pockets, it was for me.  I almost bought
one of these belt pouches and put it on my harness (thank God they were
out of stock).  Now that I've been without the BD pockets I don't miss
them.  The fact that you're pushing 9 backplates to one BC is
encouraging.

I'll take your $.02!
Art.


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Sean M. Cary [mailto:SMCARY@MI*.CO*]
		Sent:	Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:38 PM
		To:	Paltz, Art; velema@cu*.ne*
		Cc:	TECH LIST
		Subject:	Re: Cold Water Diving

		99.9% of my regular customers will (thankfully) never
Tech dive.  To sell
		them all backplates and harness's would be extreme.  I
use and dive a
		Halcyon backplate and wing, wear a dangly and dive a
long hose on every
		dive. Students and others see this and ask why I do it,
and I explain that
		it is a carry over from my technical diving.  I have a
ratio going of about
		9 backplates to 1 bcd's sale...so I guess my wearing one
is rubbing off.
		But I sell the customer whatever they want, based upon
the type of diving
		they do.  Someone who will never venture past 60' is
going to be fine in a
		normal BC.   In the early 90's when I was wearing a
Dacor Caribbean and Al
		80's, diving in warm, relatively shallow waters, that
was the best setup for
		me.  Now that I do tech, I wear what I wear all the
time, and never have to
		change my config to meet the requirements.  The whole
point of my post was
		the nature of this list, and TheNerds comment that he
doesn't have the cash
		to do the dives properly...

		And as I said before...If you can't afford to do the
dives with the right
		equipment...DON'T DO THEM.  All we have to do is apply
Rule Number One...
		I'd say we have more to worry about in the so called
"tech" community then
		the "rec" community.  I see far more strokery on the
tech trips I go on,
		then the rec trips I do each weekend.

		My .02

		Sean


		-----Original Message-----
		From: Paltz, Art <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
		To: velema@cu*.ne* <velema@cu*.ne*>; Sean M. Cary
<SMCARY@MI*.CO*>
		Cc: TECH LIST <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
		Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:35 PM
		Subject: RE: Cold Water Diving


		>I agree, this would be great in a Utopian society!  At
least by me, most
		>of the instructors are associated with shops.  Most
tend to push
		>equipment sold by those shops.  This I think causes
most instructors to
		>push the stroke gear sold by the shops and we end up
rec. divers that
		>end up buying stroke gear (and being strokes).
		>
		>Now before the flames start, I'm not saying that this
pushing of "stroke
		>gear" is correct and not all instructors are associated
with shops nor
		>do all shops push stroke gear.
		>
		>Just a few pennies,
		>Art. (think I used up my "Stroke" allotment for next
month :-))
		>
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: Robbert [mailto:velema@cu*.ne*]
		> Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 7:09 PM
		> To: Sean M. Cary
		> Cc: TECH LIST
		> Subject: Re: Cold Water Diving
		>
		> <<SNIP>>
		>
		> WHY??
		> Wouldn't it be nice if  all REC-teachers would
implement
		>DIR into their teaching.
		> My instructor does. And hopefully , in the future,
		>others will too.
		> You'll get better REC-divers and less bullshit. Even
if
		>your
		> rec-students decide
		> not to dive DIR, you would still have had the
		>opportunity to make them
		> think about it, and/or change their minds.
		> I did.
		>
		> <<SNIP>>
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