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Hydro-Atlantic...178' to the sand...mid-day. Don't need a light. Lowrance...205' to the sand....mid-day. don't need a light. Maybe I'm just lucky I live in South Florida. Bottom line is, if you don't need it, you don't take it. Not a matter of pieces. It's a matter of setting the gear up for the dive...that is DIR as well as what you wear. I don't always dive a drysuit, but I have an Argon set-up...since it's DIR to wear the bottle on the left tank, do I wear it just for the hell of it? No...same reason I don't wear a light if I don't need it. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates >First, here it is dark at 90 feet regardless of the time of day. (or is it >100ft, jeff?) > >Second, this is techdiver, not rec.scuba. > >Third, a light is always necessary and usefull on any deep dive. > >At 02:15 PM 3/16/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>>Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. >> >>Cuase it aint dark out? I dive DIR, but during day, recreational dives, I >>don't wear my cannister light. DIR also states you take only what you >>need...I really don't find a need for 50 watts at 9 a.m.... >> >>I think we're losing the commonsense portion of this system. >> >>Sean >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>To: Steve Hogan <Steve.Hogan@tr*.co*> >>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:17 PM >>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >> >> >>>It's my understanding the the cannister light (14AH) is 7lbs negative. >>> >>>Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. >>> >>>DIR or DDIAA. >>> >>>At 09:12 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>>>Kevin, >>>> >>>>I found the V-weight interferred with the argon bottle. A solution >>>>was to notch out where the argon bottle strap goes. This still >>>>did not provide good trim for me. so I moved it. >>>> >>>>I still need the weight (all of 6 lbs), but not as a V-weight. >>>>This is when I am diving without my canister light. When I use >>>>my canister light, then no weight is needed. >>>> >>>>My canister light is not 6 lbs negative, only three. I use 6 >>>>lbs as smaller weights move or fall out. >>>> >>>>Steve >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:04 AM >>>>To: Steve Hogan >>>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >>>> >>>> >>>>Steve, you're quoted below saying weight is needed, and that a v-weight >>>>doesn't work well with an argon bottle, neither of which are true. >>>> >>>>There, I said it without an insult. >>>> >>>>At 08:30 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>>>>More insults... >>>>> >>>>>As you will see in a message that I just sent to Cobb, >>>>>The trim is far better (for me) than the V weight. >>>>> >>>>>FWIW, I dive in Southern Californina (Sunday 52 deg) >>>>> >>>>>Why don't you explain what you are doing instead of assuming >>>>>that anyone diving different than you is doing is wrong? >>>>> >>>>>Steve >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:25 PM >>>>>To: Steve Hogan >>>>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes, steve, please tell us about your cold water drysuit diving. >>>>> >>>>>It must be a miracle how I dive in 41f water without any weight. Or, >>maybe >>>>>it's just that I do it right, and you do it wrong. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 06:15 PM 3/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>>>>>Cobb, >>>>>> >>>>>>You didn't answer the question. >>>>>> >>>>>>For cold water/drysuit diving more lead is required. A V-Weight >>>>>>does not work very well with the Argon bottle, so one needs to >>>>>>add weight somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have found that I need 6 lbs (for the end of the dive to be neutral) >>>>>>I use two canvas pockets that I slide on to the waist belt. I have made >>>>>>them so I *can* ditch weight if I choose to. No big deal. Ths also >>allows >>>>>>me to use the same BC for warm water/cold water, single tanks/double >>>>tanks. >>>>>>The pockets are also a good place to put a jon line, notes, whatever. >>>>>> >>>>>>The stainless steel backplate would be way too much in warm water (- >>8lb) >>>>>>So I made the pockets. I can also remove these underwater (with gloves) >>>>>>if necessary and they do not get in the way. >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, I could optimize with two different BCs (SS and AL), but why? >>>>>>This system allows flexibility without compromising any other piece of >>>>>>equipment. Besides, I would much rather drop a weight than my canister. >>>>>> >>>>>>Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] >>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:08 PM >>>>>>To: RLucas1013@ao*.co*; Tech Diver >>>>>>Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>In warm water ocean diving when properly configured you are only putting >>>>>>about 6 lbs or so on your weightbelt. The whole point of the exercise is >>>>>>for you to be able to swim up to the surface, not to ditch your weights >>>>>>in a mad panic and head to the surface like a goddamn polaris missle. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you are tech diving in cold water with a 7mm farmer john that needs >>>>>>35lbs of lead to sink then you are Doing It Wrong. You need to be in a >>>>>>drysuit, a wetsuit is not an option here. And if you are in a drysuit >>you >>>>>>have 2 ways of getting yourself to the surface. If you need a little >>>>>>extra buoyancy you drop your cannister light and your tools. >>>>>> >>>>>>And while George knows of what he speaks, he is stating common sense, >>not >>>>>>dogma. If you think a little about the situation I think you will agree. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>>Sender: RLucas1013@ao*.co* Date: 3/15/99 5:02 PM >>>>>> >>>>>>>I thought the idea of a weight belt was to drop in an emergency. George >>>>>has >>>>>>>stated diving with double alum tanks and a wet suit a weight belt is >>the >>>>>>way >>>>>>>to go in open ocean, so in case of an emergency drop the weight. How do >>>>>you >>>>>>>drop a V weight in an emergency with double alum tanks and a wet suit >>if >>>>>>that >>>>>>>is what you were referring to? In any event how do you drop a V weight >>in >>>>>>an >>>>>>>emergency in open water? >>>>>>>BOB >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------- >>>>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>>>> >>>>>NW Labor Systems, Inc >>>>>http://www.nwls.com >>>>> >>>>>And I suppose you want a user interface with >>>>>that..... >>>>>----------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>----------------------------------------------- >>>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>>> >>>>NW Labor Systems, Inc >>>>http://www.nwls.com >>>> >>>>And I suppose you want a user interface with >>>>that..... >>>>----------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>----------------------------------------------- >>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>> >>>NW Labor Systems, Inc >>>http://www.nwls.com >>> >>>And I suppose you want a user interface with >>>that..... >>>----------------------------------------------- >>>-- >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >----------------------------------------------- >Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > >NW Labor Systems, Inc >http://www.nwls.com > >And I suppose you want a user interface with >that..... >----------------------------------------------- >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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