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Please forgive Kevin. He lives in Seattle and dives Puget Sound [or occassionally caves]. In our water, its always dark - even at 9:00AM. Kevin just assumes that all diving is like this. Great viz, bright sunshine (another unknown in Seattle), clear water, diving where no lights are needed, etc. etc. are unknown concepts n- hence the innocent mistake about other locations. <g> Garrett Weinberg Sean Cary wrote: > >Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. > > Cuase it aint dark out? I dive DIR, but during day, recreational dives, I > don't wear my cannister light. DIR also states you take only what you > need...I really don't find a need for 50 watts at 9 a.m.... > > I think we're losing the commonsense portion of this system. > > Sean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > To: Steve Hogan <Steve.Hogan@tr*.co*> > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:17 PM > Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > > >It's my understanding the the cannister light (14AH) is 7lbs negative. > > > >Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. > > > >DIR or DDIAA. > > > >At 09:12 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>Kevin, > >> > >>I found the V-weight interferred with the argon bottle. A solution > >>was to notch out where the argon bottle strap goes. This still > >>did not provide good trim for me. so I moved it. > >> > >>I still need the weight (all of 6 lbs), but not as a V-weight. > >>This is when I am diving without my canister light. When I use > >>my canister light, then no weight is needed. > >> > >>My canister light is not 6 lbs negative, only three. I use 6 > >>lbs as smaller weights move or fall out. > >> > >>Steve > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:04 AM > >>To: Steve Hogan > >>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > >> > >> > >>Steve, you're quoted below saying weight is needed, and that a v-weight > >>doesn't work well with an argon bottle, neither of which are true. > >> > >>There, I said it without an insult. > >> > >>At 08:30 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>>More insults... > >>> > >>>As you will see in a message that I just sent to Cobb, > >>>The trim is far better (for me) than the V weight. > >>> > >>>FWIW, I dive in Southern Californina (Sunday 52 deg) > >>> > >>>Why don't you explain what you are doing instead of assuming > >>>that anyone diving different than you is doing is wrong? > >>> > >>>Steve > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] > >>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:25 PM > >>>To: Steve Hogan > >>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > >>> > >>> > >>>Yes, steve, please tell us about your cold water drysuit diving. > >>> > >>>It must be a miracle how I dive in 41f water without any weight. Or, > maybe > >>>it's just that I do it right, and you do it wrong. > >>> > >>> > >>>At 06:15 PM 3/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>>>Cobb, > >>>> > >>>>You didn't answer the question. > >>>> > >>>>For cold water/drysuit diving more lead is required. A V-Weight > >>>>does not work very well with the Argon bottle, so one needs to > >>>>add weight somewhere. > >>>> > >>>>I have found that I need 6 lbs (for the end of the dive to be neutral) > >>>>I use two canvas pockets that I slide on to the waist belt. I have made > >>>>them so I *can* ditch weight if I choose to. No big deal. Ths also > allows > >>>>me to use the same BC for warm water/cold water, single tanks/double > >>tanks. > >>>>The pockets are also a good place to put a jon line, notes, whatever. > >>>> > >>>>The stainless steel backplate would be way too much in warm water (- > 8lb) > >>>>So I made the pockets. I can also remove these underwater (with gloves) > >>>>if necessary and they do not get in the way. > >>>> > >>>>Yes, I could optimize with two different BCs (SS and AL), but why? > >>>>This system allows flexibility without compromising any other piece of > >>>>equipment. Besides, I would much rather drop a weight than my canister. > >>>> > >>>>Steve > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] > >>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:08 PM > >>>>To: RLucas1013@ao*.co*; Tech Diver > >>>>Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>In warm water ocean diving when properly configured you are only putting > >>>>about 6 lbs or so on your weightbelt. The whole point of the exercise is > >>>>for you to be able to swim up to the surface, not to ditch your weights > >>>>in a mad panic and head to the surface like a goddamn polaris missle. > >>>> > >>>>If you are tech diving in cold water with a 7mm farmer john that needs > >>>>35lbs of lead to sink then you are Doing It Wrong. You need to be in a > >>>>drysuit, a wetsuit is not an option here. And if you are in a drysuit > you > >>>>have 2 ways of getting yourself to the surface. If you need a little > >>>>extra buoyancy you drop your cannister light and your tools. > >>>> > >>>>And while George knows of what he speaks, he is stating common sense, > not > >>>>dogma. If you think a little about the situation I think you will agree. > >>>> > >>>> Jim > >>>> > >>>>Sender: RLucas1013@ao*.co* Date: 3/15/99 5:02 PM > >>>> > >>>>>I thought the idea of a weight belt was to drop in an emergency. George > >>>has > >>>>>stated diving with double alum tanks and a wet suit a weight belt is > the > >>>>way > >>>>>to go in open ocean, so in case of an emergency drop the weight. How do > >>>you > >>>>>drop a V weight in an emergency with double alum tanks and a wet suit > if > >>>>that > >>>>>is what you were referring to? In any event how do you drop a V weight > in > >>>>an > >>>>>emergency in open water? > >>>>>BOB > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>-- > >>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>>> > >>>----------------------------------------------- > >>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > >>> > >>>NW Labor Systems, Inc > >>>http://www.nwls.com > >>> > >>>And I suppose you want a user interface with > >>>that..... > >>>----------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>----------------------------------------------- > >>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > >> > >>NW Labor Systems, Inc > >>http://www.nwls.com > >> > >>And I suppose you want a user interface with > >>that..... > >>----------------------------------------------- > >> > >----------------------------------------------- > >Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > > > >NW Labor Systems, Inc > >http://www.nwls.com > > > >And I suppose you want a user interface with > >that..... > >----------------------------------------------- > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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