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All, No worries. I did not take umbrige with his remarks, but the nastiness that abounds on this list needs to stop. It is easier to stop it before it begins. We have some dives here that are great until 140 feet or so, then it is like night (Scripps Canyon). Kevin did make a good point though. It is a SYSTEM. One cannot just change one thing without thinking about the consequences of the change, hence the pockets. To me, the trim is paramount as it allows me to kick and glide, using less energy and gas. That is also considered part of the system. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Weinberg [mailto:scubait@ix*.ne*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:59 AM To: Sean Cary Cc: Steve Hogan; Kevin Connell; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates Please forgive Kevin. He lives in Seattle and dives Puget Sound [or occassionally caves]. In our water, its always dark - even at 9:00AM. Kevin just assumes that all diving is like this. Great viz, bright sunshine (another unknown in Seattle), clear water, diving where no lights are needed, etc. etc. are unknown concepts n- hence the innocent mistake about other locations. <g> Garrett Weinberg Sean Cary wrote: > >Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. > > Cuase it aint dark out? I dive DIR, but during day, recreational dives, I > don't wear my cannister light. DIR also states you take only what you > need...I really don't find a need for 50 watts at 9 a.m.... > > I think we're losing the commonsense portion of this system. > > Sean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > To: Steve Hogan <Steve.Hogan@tr*.co*> > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:17 PM > Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > > >It's my understanding the the cannister light (14AH) is 7lbs negative. > > > >Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. > > > >DIR or DDIAA. > > > >At 09:12 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>Kevin, > >> > >>I found the V-weight interferred with the argon bottle. A solution > >>was to notch out where the argon bottle strap goes. This still > >>did not provide good trim for me. so I moved it. > >> > >>I still need the weight (all of 6 lbs), but not as a V-weight. > >>This is when I am diving without my canister light. When I use > >>my canister light, then no weight is needed. > >> > >>My canister light is not 6 lbs negative, only three. I use 6 > >>lbs as smaller weights move or fall out. > >> > >>Steve > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:04 AM > >>To: Steve Hogan > >>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > >> > >> > >>Steve, you're quoted below saying weight is needed, and that a v-weight > >>doesn't work well with an argon bottle, neither of which are true. > >> > >>There, I said it without an insult. > >> > >>At 08:30 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>>More insults... > >>> > >>>As you will see in a message that I just sent to Cobb, > >>>The trim is far better (for me) than the V weight. > >>> > >>>FWIW, I dive in Southern Californina (Sunday 52 deg) > >>> > >>>Why don't you explain what you are doing instead of assuming > >>>that anyone diving different than you is doing is wrong? > >>> > >>>Steve > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] > >>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:25 PM > >>>To: Steve Hogan > >>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > >>> > >>> > >>>Yes, steve, please tell us about your cold water drysuit diving. > >>> > >>>It must be a miracle how I dive in 41f water without any weight. Or, > maybe > >>>it's just that I do it right, and you do it wrong. > >>> > >>> > >>>At 06:15 PM 3/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>>>Cobb, > >>>> > >>>>You didn't answer the question. > >>>> > >>>>For cold water/drysuit diving more lead is required. A V-Weight > >>>>does not work very well with the Argon bottle, so one needs to > >>>>add weight somewhere. > >>>> > >>>>I have found that I need 6 lbs (for the end of the dive to be neutral) > >>>>I use two canvas pockets that I slide on to the waist belt. I have made > >>>>them so I *can* ditch weight if I choose to. No big deal. Ths also > allows > >>>>me to use the same BC for warm water/cold water, single tanks/double > >>tanks. > >>>>The pockets are also a good place to put a jon line, notes, whatever. > >>>> > >>>>The stainless steel backplate would be way too much in warm water (- > 8lb) > >>>>So I made the pockets. I can also remove these underwater (with gloves) > >>>>if necessary and they do not get in the way. > >>>> > >>>>Yes, I could optimize with two different BCs (SS and AL), but why? > >>>>This system allows flexibility without compromising any other piece of > >>>>equipment. Besides, I would much rather drop a weight than my canister. > >>>> > >>>>Steve > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] > >>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:08 PM > >>>>To: RLucas1013@ao*.co*; Tech Diver > >>>>Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>In warm water ocean diving when properly configured you are only putting > >>>>about 6 lbs or so on your weightbelt. The whole point of the exercise is > >>>>for you to be able to swim up to the surface, not to ditch your weights > >>>>in a mad panic and head to the surface like a goddamn polaris missle. > >>>> > >>>>If you are tech diving in cold water with a 7mm farmer john that needs > >>>>35lbs of lead to sink then you are Doing It Wrong. You need to be in a > >>>>drysuit, a wetsuit is not an option here. And if you are in a drysuit > you > >>>>have 2 ways of getting yourself to the surface. If you need a little > >>>>extra buoyancy you drop your cannister light and your tools. > >>>> > >>>>And while George knows of what he speaks, he is stating common sense, > not > >>>>dogma. If you think a little about the situation I think you will agree. > >>>> > >>>> Jim > >>>> > >>>>Sender: RLucas1013@ao*.co* Date: 3/15/99 5:02 PM > >>>> > >>>>>I thought the idea of a weight belt was to drop in an emergency. George > >>>has > >>>>>stated diving with double alum tanks and a wet suit a weight belt is > the > >>>>way > >>>>>to go in open ocean, so in case of an emergency drop the weight. How do > >>>you > >>>>>drop a V weight in an emergency with double alum tanks and a wet suit > if > >>>>that > >>>>>is what you were referring to? 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