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First, here it is dark at 90 feet regardless of the time of day. (or is it 100ft, jeff?) Second, this is techdiver, not rec.scuba. Third, a light is always necessary and usefull on any deep dive. At 02:15 PM 3/16/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. > >Cuase it aint dark out? I dive DIR, but during day, recreational dives, I >don't wear my cannister light. DIR also states you take only what you >need...I really don't find a need for 50 watts at 9 a.m.... > >I think we're losing the commonsense portion of this system. > >Sean > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >To: Steve Hogan <Steve.Hogan@tr*.co*> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:17 PM >Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates > > >>It's my understanding the the cannister light (14AH) is 7lbs negative. >> >>Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. >> >>DIR or DDIAA. >> >>At 09:12 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>>Kevin, >>> >>>I found the V-weight interferred with the argon bottle. A solution >>>was to notch out where the argon bottle strap goes. This still >>>did not provide good trim for me. so I moved it. >>> >>>I still need the weight (all of 6 lbs), but not as a V-weight. >>>This is when I am diving without my canister light. When I use >>>my canister light, then no weight is needed. >>> >>>My canister light is not 6 lbs negative, only three. I use 6 >>>lbs as smaller weights move or fall out. >>> >>>Steve >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:04 AM >>>To: Steve Hogan >>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >>> >>> >>>Steve, you're quoted below saying weight is needed, and that a v-weight >>>doesn't work well with an argon bottle, neither of which are true. >>> >>>There, I said it without an insult. >>> >>>At 08:30 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>>>More insults... >>>> >>>>As you will see in a message that I just sent to Cobb, >>>>The trim is far better (for me) than the V weight. >>>> >>>>FWIW, I dive in Southern Californina (Sunday 52 deg) >>>> >>>>Why don't you explain what you are doing instead of assuming >>>>that anyone diving different than you is doing is wrong? >>>> >>>>Steve >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:25 PM >>>>To: Steve Hogan >>>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes, steve, please tell us about your cold water drysuit diving. >>>> >>>>It must be a miracle how I dive in 41f water without any weight. Or, >maybe >>>>it's just that I do it right, and you do it wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>>At 06:15 PM 3/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>>>>Cobb, >>>>> >>>>>You didn't answer the question. >>>>> >>>>>For cold water/drysuit diving more lead is required. A V-Weight >>>>>does not work very well with the Argon bottle, so one needs to >>>>>add weight somewhere. >>>>> >>>>>I have found that I need 6 lbs (for the end of the dive to be neutral) >>>>>I use two canvas pockets that I slide on to the waist belt. I have made >>>>>them so I *can* ditch weight if I choose to. No big deal. Ths also >allows >>>>>me to use the same BC for warm water/cold water, single tanks/double >>>tanks. >>>>>The pockets are also a good place to put a jon line, notes, whatever. >>>>> >>>>>The stainless steel backplate would be way too much in warm water (- >8lb) >>>>>So I made the pockets. I can also remove these underwater (with gloves) >>>>>if necessary and they do not get in the way. >>>>> >>>>>Yes, I could optimize with two different BCs (SS and AL), but why? >>>>>This system allows flexibility without compromising any other piece of >>>>>equipment. Besides, I would much rather drop a weight than my canister. >>>>> >>>>>Steve >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:08 PM >>>>>To: RLucas1013@ao*.co*; Tech Diver >>>>>Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>In warm water ocean diving when properly configured you are only putting >>>>>about 6 lbs or so on your weightbelt. The whole point of the exercise is >>>>>for you to be able to swim up to the surface, not to ditch your weights >>>>>in a mad panic and head to the surface like a goddamn polaris missle. >>>>> >>>>>If you are tech diving in cold water with a 7mm farmer john that needs >>>>>35lbs of lead to sink then you are Doing It Wrong. You need to be in a >>>>>drysuit, a wetsuit is not an option here. And if you are in a drysuit >you >>>>>have 2 ways of getting yourself to the surface. If you need a little >>>>>extra buoyancy you drop your cannister light and your tools. >>>>> >>>>>And while George knows of what he speaks, he is stating common sense, >not >>>>>dogma. If you think a little about the situation I think you will agree. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>>Sender: RLucas1013@ao*.co* Date: 3/15/99 5:02 PM >>>>> >>>>>>I thought the idea of a weight belt was to drop in an emergency. George >>>>has >>>>>>stated diving with double alum tanks and a wet suit a weight belt is >the >>>>>way >>>>>>to go in open ocean, so in case of an emergency drop the weight. How do >>>>you >>>>>>drop a V weight in an emergency with double alum tanks and a wet suit >if >>>>>that >>>>>>is what you were referring to? In any event how do you drop a V weight >in >>>>>an >>>>>>emergency in open water? >>>>>>BOB >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>-- >>>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>>> >>>>----------------------------------------------- >>>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>>> >>>>NW Labor Systems, Inc >>>>http://www.nwls.com >>>> >>>>And I suppose you want a user interface with >>>>that..... >>>>----------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>----------------------------------------------- >>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>> >>>NW Labor Systems, Inc >>>http://www.nwls.com >>> >>>And I suppose you want a user interface with >>>that..... >>>----------------------------------------------- >>> >>----------------------------------------------- >>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >> >>NW Labor Systems, Inc >>http://www.nwls.com >> >>And I suppose you want a user interface with >>that..... >>----------------------------------------------- >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ----------------------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com And I suppose you want a user interface with that..... ----------------------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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