> Wrolf Courtney wrote:
> Paul Harris wrote:
(snips)

and I wrote
>> PADI, after some "adjustment", "compromise", "nod and
>> wink", etc, you get my drift, sort of filled the shoes of BS-AC whom C=
MAS
>> "expelled". BS-AC was a founder member and then encountered the wrath
>> of the octogenarians (a word I use advisedly) in the CMAS. I
>> don't think that BS-AC, of whom as I recall you are a member Wrolf, ar=
e
>> unduly concerned.
> =

> Not quite true, the SAA (Sub Aqua Association) are the
> British representatives, I believe.

Correct, I got it wrong. I rather suspect though that PADI then made a
concerted rush to become a member of the fold immediately that that
happened.
(snip)

> PADI could hardly represent British divers since the CMAS
> representative is (supposed to be) national to the country concerned. T=
his
> is part of the reason given for expelling the BS-AC, who were training
> divers in Korea(?).

Correct again on both counts. Excuse me however, PADI does not train
anywhere other than the US of A? Really? I also seem to recall that
Training Organisations (accepted by the CMAS) *must be* non profit, that
the BS-AC got expelled because their venture into Korea was *for
profit*.

Hmmm, PADI is a non profit organisation? I should here point out that
although I have no real liking of the PADI's of this world, this is not
PADI bashing, this is looking at what I consider the double standards of
the CMAS, whom I *used to* hold in high regard.

>,Plus we never entered their underwater wrestling competitions. :)

Chuckle, gollygosh, you're right again. =

(snip)
>      Sadly most diving operations are more concerned about credit
>      cards than c-cards.

ABSOLUTELY.
> =

>      Paul Harris
> =

> Thanks for the clarifications Christian and Paul.=A0 Two minor
> clarifications of my own: I learned to dive in Israel after I left the
> UK, and therefore hold an Israeli CMAS card (plus a PADI card, it was
> a dual course).
(snip)

> But the more substantial issue right now is this UNESCO Convention.=A0 =
I
> think that we need to take up John Broadwater's challenge:
> =A0
>      Please, don't just condemn all government resource
>      management programs (natural and
>      cultural)--instead, try working with us to improve them.=A0
>      All of our Federal management programs have public review
>      and comment cycles associated with them, as does the UNESCO
>      Convention on the Protection of Underwater Cultural
>      Heritage, that is currently being debated in the
>      international arena.=A0 (Which, by the way, won't eliminate
>      all wreck diving on the planet, as some would have you
>      believe!).
> =

> So if it is now being debated in the international arena - where?=A0 Wh=
o
> are our representatives (national, such as NOAA in the U.S., or
> transnational, such as CMAS perhaps)?

=46rom what has appeared on this list of late regarding UNESCO, if the
various posters are to be believed, and I think they are, I would call
this exercise fruitless, futile and with the purpose of giving a lot of
well paid bureaucrats more tenure in their well paid "seats".

As usual it is not well publicised, heck if you, Wrolf, can't find it on
the Net, I suggest few can. As you say:

> How do we contact them, makeour point(s) of view known, and monitor the=
ir progress?

Cheers, sorry for the bandwidth, esp since its not really "tech",

Christian


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