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Hi Garrett >(1) Most "rescues" of artifacts end up in garages or basements of wreck rapists. >They ain't rescued and they ain't artifacts. They are trophies of the hunt. This is only half true,most true wreck divers who collect things will and do show there findings at boat shows,dive meetings, talks they are ask to do for schools,to anyone that has a fascination to see these things and we are honored to show them. > >(2) The only people who see these "historic artifacts" are the diver's buddies or >visitors who wonder what the hell that port hole is doing in the downstairs >"entertainment" center. They ain't on display at museums. The people who see our artifacts (some of which museums would pass on)are students at school or at public showings at no cost, some of these people cannot afford museum cost to see them. > >(3) Museums don't want another porthole from the USS Minnow. They already have >rejected dozens of donated portholes that have been "given" to them by other >wreck rapists. Why the hostile feelings,did you one time try to get a porthole and could not so your mad at some one who got extras and gave them to a museum.Take a deep breath,and say to yourself "I'm not jealous" relax you may find one. > >(4) Ask the folks who visited the Edmond Fitzgerald about all of the treasures >that they brought back. If I remeber correctly, they left (left not removed) a >plaque commemorating the sailors who died on the Edmond. You make me laugh at this one,what is the depth? A bunch of wreckers here also put a plaque on the John Morgan here in Va Beach and clean it every year for all to see.How many dive down to see the one on the Edmund? > >(5) Ask the divers who visit the warships at Truk (or whatever its now called). >How many of them bring home skulls or other "trophies" or "collectables" I do not know any wreckers who collect bones,if they get one it is by accident. > >(6) Many of us have already seen the results of wreck rapists at work. Anything of >"value" has been stripped off and the only things we see underwater are the >pitiful remains. A wreck is never truly cleaned out,lets talk of valve,one mans junk is anothers treasure.And what about the money we spend to get this stuff,it is a living for some to take these divers to the hard to dive wrecks,you don't get many lookers to those kind of wrecks.Case in point Empress of Ireland one of the statements made was that the shop there only does half the business now that it is protected. > >(7) Don't use the monitor example with me. I separate the issue of visitng vs. >plundering. If I'm no longer permitted to "visit" a wreck, it is probably because >its been plundered by folks who can't leave their crowbars at home. It is safe to >say that the wreck rapist have "wrecked": it for the rest of us who either prefer >to just visit or take pictures. The Monitor,its people like you who xxxx that up for everyone.This is what eats me up,they will make everyone pay to get it (taxes), tear it up doing it,and want to charge me to see it.And tax me again to maintain it. > >(8) Why not leave it. If we don't plunder, then we do have a convincing argument >that we can make with various governments that we should be permitted a visit - >that approach worked with the Edmond, it works with the ships at Truk, it probably >will work with the ships at Bikini. The only reason it works at those places is because they are easy dives,warm water,clear water,and it is a vacation trip.And please wake up with this Edmund thing,just to make it clear -name the divers you know personally that can dive that wreck on scuba and of the ones that can were are they gonna get the time to recover anything,WAKE UP > >(9) I've never said that the governnment is saving our wrecks. I've said that >given the choice between idiots raping a wreck and leaving nothing for the rest of >us to see, I would prefer the wreck to be off limits. If we can't control our own >greed, we don't deserve the pleasure of the visitr. What about the wrecks we find, that you and the government are not looking for WAKE UP AGAIN > > >If you wish to continue this discussion, quote me exactly. Prove to me that you >are different from the folks who carve their initials in caves. The jury is still >out. Did I change any of your quotes? Like I said just relax you'll find some thing one day. Capt.JT -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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