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Kevin Rottner wrote: > >> The key is Personal Preparation ( Mind, Body, Spirit, Dive gear and Rescue > >> Gear ), Prediction and Planning. It seems you have already made a decision > >> in advance that you would not blow a deco obligation to surface a victim. > >> Joel and I would. In fact, I have, and went right back down to my deepest > >> stop and followed the protocols. Victim lived, I was dopplered and did not > >> have ANY bubbles. > > >Again, good for you. What I said was on an exposure beyond 200 fsw after 30 min > >I don't think its wise if your victim has had the same exposure. That exposure > >is key, mr. rescue. Good rescuers can make that split second judgement > regarding > >their effectiveness and their risk.. What was the deco you blew off? What was > >your victims. Let's have some details instead of more chest pounding. And while > >your filling us in, please comment on if you think the average tech diver lives > >up to your years-sharp-well-honed skills. > > > > Don't patronize me. Carefully re-read my post and I believe you will see > that that that I said we disagreed on what we are willing to do for a fellow > diver or a fellow human being. No. I disagree that we are talking about a dead body, not a human being. > In your post you state " I was tought (sic) > and believe no one survives a blow up. " Well who the hell taught you this > ?? When I get back to my office around Thanksgiving I will look it up and tell you. He is an expert. > You never say retreat, you never quit, you never give up when it's a > human life at stake. Because the greedy true fact is that if you are the one > on the board, with a green cylinder between your legs, you hope that that's > the philosophy of those caring for you. I guess I'm not that greedy. If I'm dead on that board I hope no one even stubs their toe trying to get me someplace useless. If I'm dead bring me to the morgue. If I'm not dead, I hope the people caring for me are going to do it all cooly by the numbers, based on their training, experience and judgement. Not some episode of "Emergency!". > As for exposure, a fun little spot off Southern California called Farnsworth > Banks, 220 feet for 23 minutes. Another time Osborne Banks 180 feet for 27 > minutes. Short times but that's how I dive when I dive deep. Because I think > about every contingency that I can ever think of, and as I dive I come up > with more. I never let my mind write checks that my ass can't cash. Two > times I surfaced a fellow diver with my computers screaming. Once the diver > was conscious, but almost totally out of gas and freaking out. ( Ever hear > the SSSHRRRINGGGG of a cylinder with about 100 PSI in it. ) Ah.... No. (My advise, get this guy to a garage sale too.) > Once the diver was unconscious, and required three table 6A's to fix him and > a garage sale to sell off every piece of dive gear a month later. What was his exposure? Lets put this all together. Was it one of the your fun exposres you mention above? Lets do the numbers about vicitm's exposure - survivability, and leave the cliches out of it. > I got > sucked into the two year long litigation as a witness on that one, got > bounced around like a ping pong ball during two depositions, all for just > trying to help, and being dumb enought to give my name and ophone number to > the wife of the diver. Yes, it was a learning experience in many different ways. > > >Now try and justify your bullshit. > > Remember that case of good Scotch you and Joel were talking about ?? Well > that's what it will cost you. > > If you are calling me a liar, or do not believe me when I say 37 ( > thirty-seven ) rescues, call me on it. In fact, I will admit right now that > I was lying, because I don't know the exact number. I apologize to you and > the list. But after my post I really though about it. The number is in > excess of that, far in excess. But if you want to call me a liar, then I > will document 40 in the LAST THREE YEARS ALONE. I will give you rough dates, > but exact dive sites and exact and verifiable witness names and their phone > numbers or e-mail addresses. You can call and e-mail and verify the > witnesses, then report back to the list if in fact I am a liar, or if in > fact I can document 40 aquatic rescues ( majority scuba ) over the last > three years. You can take this off line, or on line, but that offer stands. > And all it will cost either you or me is our reputation and a case of > scotch. One of which I consider extremely valuable and the other is just old > booze. I didn't say you were a liar. What I did say is I do not think your x number of full blown aquatic rescues are relavant to the discussion. Here is what I want to know: Each victim's profile/gas/ascent rate, what you did for them, how it turned out. (But I must say, a vast majority scuba rescues out of over 40 incidents in three years: I hope you are one of the baywatch guys becuase that is some diving track record! Your not the instructor I hope :-0) > > I offered simple explanations about a specific scenario and what I would > do, and > what I think others should do. > > No, you didn't. What you said is that you would do NOTHING for a fellow > diver in trouble and you advised other divers to do NOTHING No. I said I would not risk my life for what I know to be a corps. > and that sir > comes just about as close to pushing my PISSED-OFF button as you will ever > get without discussing politics. I stated I would do just about anything to > save a human life, and that's where we parted company on the philosophical > path. You are promoting a way of thinking that could cause people to allow > an incident to turn into and accident, and an accident into a death. I am promoting knowing when to act and when not to, what is best to do. Are you really a rescue professional? This is a basic rescue concept. > Flame war off if that suits you, or simply respond that you believe I am a liar. > > As for the scotch, I'll make space for it in my house as I anticipate your > responce. Yes getting to the scotch. I'd say we are even. You see, if you had talked that sanctimoneous-call me a coward-shit to my face while on the job you would be looking up at me from the floor with your nose moved over to your ear. And you would owe me some scotch in apology as well. Tom -- The Guns and Armour of Scapa Flow Scotland 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks http:www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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