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Kevin Rottner wrote: > >Joel, > > your chest pounding "I can omit deco, save a life, > >and then > >do a special schedule and collect scotch" sounds like 'I'm good to 240 > >on air'. > > Dear Tom: > > The choice to rescue or not to rescue is indeed a personal decision. The > decision to act or not act, or to act to a limited degree are directly > indicative of the composition of a man's soul. > > At one end of the rainbow we have an individual who performs a full blown > rescue, placing himself in harm's way and accepting the limited, moderate or > extreme risks that the this rescue creates to the rescuer. > > At the other end of the rainbow we have an individual who does nothing. > > In the middle we have the overwhelming majority of the population, who are > willing to do something, but nothing that would cause them severe risk. Its > a safe position, because you can not be branded a coward. > > I have performed 37 full blown aquatic rescues, most involving SCUBA divers. > 30 or 31 in front of boatloads or beachloads of witnesses if you doubt me. > It doesn't hurt that I train rescue divers, I teach C.P.R., A.R., First Aid, > Oxygen Administration, etc. etc. So my skills are always sharp and current. Good for you. > An aquatic rescue begins long before you see the victim, and recognize the > dire situation. An aquatic rescue begins months or years before that > lightening-fast split-second. The anatomy of a dive accident rescue begins > with Personal Preparation ( Mind, Body, Spirit, Dive gear and Rescue Gear ), > Prediction and Planning, Recognition. > > It continues with Approach and Contact, Capture / Arrest / Rescue, Egress, > Primary Assessment, Secondary Assessment, Medical Treatment, Oxygen > Administration. > > It concludes with Evacuation / Seizure of Gear and Documentation. > > The key is Personal Preparation ( Mind, Body, Spirit, Dive gear and Rescue > Gear ), Prediction and Planning. It seems you have already made a decision > in advance that you would not blow a deco obligation to surface a victim. > Joel and I would. In fact, I have, and went right back down to my deepest > stop and followed the protocols. Victim lived, I was dopplered and did not > have ANY bubbles. Again, good for you. What I said was on an exposure beyond 200 fsw after 30 min I don't think its wise if your victim has had the same exposure. That exposure is key, mr. rescue. Good rescuers can make that split second judgement regarding their effectiveness and their risk.. What was the deco you blew off? What was your victims. Let's have some details instead of more chest pounding. And while your filling us in, please comment on if you think the average tech diver lives up to your years-sharp-well-honed skills. > Would I do that again, yes. Does this mean I am chest pounding, no. Its just > who and what I am. I am willing to accept risk in order to save another's > life. I have accepted risk to save another's life. I will continue to accpet > risk to save another's life. Well good good good. Now add something to the discussion. Where's the beef? I'm no rescue neophyte so I'm not impressed with your anatomy of a rescue outline. I offered simple explanations about a specific scenario and what I would do, and what I think others should do. Now give some details to back up what you say, not 'I'm mr. rescue, and I do it'. > This is where you and I will agree to disagree. But without starting a > flamewar, I think you are wrong, and sincerely hope you are never on the > receiving end of your own philosophical decisions. Its easy to play the > "What If ? " game in the sterile confines of cyberspace, much different each > and every day in the real world. Wrong x 4. First, we haven't agreed to disagree until I know what you are talking about. Tell us about the scuba incident, and the other 36 full blown aquatic rescues, mr. lifeguard. (I'm sure you just aching to tell us.) Key point of mine: I never said I wouldn't blow off deco from shorter shallower exposures to ensure the rescue of a viable victim. Second, I think you've started a flamewar. Third, my decisions are not philisophical, they are based on logic, science, and common sense. Fourth, don't imply I have never done this in real life, dickhead. > A coward dies a thousand deaths, the hero dies but once. OK mr. hero. My point has merit. Now try and justify your bullshit. -- The Guns and Armour of Scapa Flow Scotland 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks http:www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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