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From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: faluse advertising,
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:39:24 -0400
He, he!

Art.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jim Cobb [SMTP:cobber@ci*.co*]
	Sent:	Friday, October 16, 1998 10:18 AM
	To:	Paltz, Art; Tech Diver
	Subject:	RE: faluse advertising, 

	Art, I agree it hard to stay on the topic. Here we need to talk
about 
	lights and not boarding ladders.

	Hey, speaking of lights and boarding ladders, I really hate
diveboats 
	that have white painted transoms. I mean here you are, climbing
up the 
	ladder and what greets you but bright light reflecting off of
white 
	paint. I mean, really, what are these guys thinking? I mean your
eyes are 
	all adjusted for the gloom of underwater, you just get an
instant 
	headache. What we need on this list is a list of diveboats with
white 
	transoms so we can avoid them like the plague.

	Uh, what were we talking about again, Art??

	 Jim

	Sender: Paltz, Art  Date: 10/16/98 6:58 AM

	>Why is that we can never stay on topic?  I'm not trying to say
anything
	>derogatory against any one or group.  It seems in an initial
message
	>that John responded to a comment Barry made that "none of the
WKPP use
	>AUL lights".  I assume this meant they were all using Extreme
Exposure
	>lights?  Let's stick to this topic!  Are WKPP members using AUL
lights,
	>does George?  How come when certain people on the list (not
singling
	>Barry out, I don't even know him) always change the topic then
the heat
	>is on them?  It's like answering a question with a question.
	>
	>This is the same thing that happened with the Wahoo ladder
conversation.
	>In stead of focusing on why the Wahoo ladder was better or at
least a
	>really good design people focused on the incorrect statement
that it was
	>80 feet long, duh!  I don't remember anyone responding that it
was
	>really 8 feet long and asking to know why it was better.  I
recently got
	>accused of not being open-minded and jumping down someone's
throat, I
	>think this is the same situation but from someone else.  I
figure that
	>because Barry is well known in the diving community and the
WKPP that no
	>one will say anything.  We'll I just did.
	>
	>I can't comment on the P-Valve, as I've never seen one.  If it
was
	>copyrighted and the rights were given or sold to someone to
make then I
	>think we have a discussion.  If it was never copyrighted and
there were
	>no plans to do so then I think John can do what he want's.  I'm
not a
	>lawyer so I'm a little out of my element so I'll just shut up.
I need
	>to get to John's site and see if he states that he's making
them himself
	>as accused of doing so....
	>
	>Personally I like John's web site.  He's got some really great
products
	>there and they are better prices than most anywhere else.  If
it weren't
	>for John I think it would be costing a lot of us more to
dive......
	>
	>Art.
	>
	>	-----Original Message-----
	>	From:	rat@ne*.co* [SMTP:rat@ne*.co*]
	>	Sent:	Thursday, October 15, 1998 6:18 PM
	>	To:	rat@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
	>AMERUWLITE@ao*.co*; kens@ac*.ne*; kirvine@sa*.ne*;
	>'JDA000@ao*.co*'
	>	Subject:	RE: faluse advertising, 
	>
	>
	>
	>	----------
	>	From: 	JDA000@ao*.co*
	>	Sent: 	Thursday, October 15, 1998 5:17 PM
	>	To: 	rat@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
	>AMERUWLITE@ao*.co*; kens@ac*.ne*; kirvine@sa*.ne*
	>	Subject: 	Re: faluse advertising, More lies by
Barry
	>
	>
	>	I know the history between you and Arnold Jackson and
the way
	>you had stuck
	>	him.  
	>
	>	John "The Stupid Fuck" Allen
	>	Owner John's Scuba Equipment.
	>
	>	John you stupid fuck,
	>	    Do you care to explain this statement you just made?
How can
	>I, Barry Miller, stick American Underwater Lighting with
anything? Then
	>do you care to explain why you stole the p-valve that Jon
Breazile made
	>to sell as you own. As you stated, you are only in this to make
money. I
	>am trying to find out why you want to drag your dislike for me
through
	>all this shit with AUL you are fabricating. I noticed you
expanded you
	>header to include AUL! I am only responding to you to defend
these
	>stories you are comming up with to try to discredit me somehow,
try
	>again. I am still trying to figure out why you are going to all
this
	>trouble anyway, you are just going to look like the fool you
are.
	>	You need to know that I am taking all this personally,
and I
	>will treat you as such. I have many other things to do besides
figure
	>out why you have started all this bullshit. 
	>
	>	Barry
	>
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