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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:03:23 -0400
From: KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: JDA000@ao*.co*
CC: cavers@ca*.co*, rat@ne*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     AMERUWLITE@ao*.co*, kens@ac*.ne*
Subject: Re: faluse advertising, More lies by Barry
I do not know what precipitated this, but suffice it to say the Arnie
has always been one of our supporters, and made us lights when nobody
else would or could. I do not forget things like that. Arnie mad them
affordable for my whole team, many when they were college students and
did not have the money.

 Arnie makes things we consider essential, Rat makes things we consider
essential. My personal lights are all custom made, cost in the $2,000
range, and are as such impractical for general distribution, just like
my personal scooters, and every other piece of gear I have. What is
duplicated and reproduced for others is always going to be some
compromise thereof. 

 We stand by those who help us, and we do not forget them, just as I
never forget those who interfere with us of try to screw us. Arnold
Jackson and Barry Miller are the only two guys making lights that in any
way make sense right now in my opinion.

 We have all made screwed up stuff in the pursuit of the right stuff,
and we all admit it and move on. Just look at the first couple of
scooters I made - the $8,000 to produce metal madness and the plastic
one that idiot Stone copied. Anrie had some light problems and so did
Rat - we put our heads together and worked through it. 

 Just be reminded , before you guys get screaming at each other, who
really figured all of this out, and why you know how to do it now, and
that if it were not for that all of you would be buying bullshit useless
boat anchors like the strokes have now, and be glad he ( Bill Gavin ) is
not in the light business, or the rest of you would be toast.  


JDA000@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/15/98 1:45:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rat@ne*.co*
> writes:
> 
> << John, you stupid fuck,
>      I wrote to you personally and you seem to want to make things personal. I
> liked the way YOU put in rat@ne*.co* (Barry Miller, Extreme Exposure) as
> I was writing you as a team member and as you can see never mentioned EE.
>  I did not say anything about the name of any product that AUL makes, and he
> does make a fine product. I simply said that "John, nobody uses this light on
> our team." this includes George, he made the dive on a nicad light you stupid
> fuck. And what is this about,>>
> 
> Barry,  I spoke to George 2 hours ago,  He said that he personally dives an
> AUL light spectrum version.
> Are you know calling George a liar?
> I will not mention in this forum what George said about you designing lights
> and the quality of them.
> I know the history between you and Arnold Jackson and the way you had stuck
> him.
> 
>  BTW: For all the people that do not feel like reading this entire message
>  George Irvine, WKPP director does consider AUL lights more than appropriate
>  for all WKPP dives.
> 
>  <<John you stupid fuck, I said nothing about this. I will remind you
again
> what I said," While I was there, I noticed you advertised that the
>  AUL 100 was used by many of the WKPP. John, nobody uses this light on our"
>  Now John you stupid fuck, I will tell you what I think of you personally. I
> think that you were one load your mother should have swallowed since it seems
> that the best part of you ran down your mothers leg!! John you stupid fuck,
> unlike you, I am not trying to sell gear to everyone with this e-mail, but to
> point out what a stupid fuck you really are. John you stupid fuck, NEVER
> change any header of an e-mail that I send you to try to sell gear. NEVER try
> to say again that I put down anyones gear as I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING TO YOU IN
> THE PERSONAL LETTER I SENT YOU.
> 
>  Barry,  Just in case you have not figured it out yet I do take my business
> seriously.  I am in the business to make money.  I sell only quality products
> and provide great service.   I am not going to call you names on this forum as
> I do not see what good it will do.  I do not see any reason to play games with
> you.
> 
> John "The Stupid Fuck" Allen
> Owner John's Scuba Equipment.


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