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Al,
Heres some info on Mukilteo State Park:
1) State park is open to divers of all certitification levels
2) The "500' slope" starts about 30 yards from shore.
3) The slope runs down about a 45 degree angle and gets very deep real
quick.
4) This site has a couple of 3' benches between 50'-80' that are home to
octopus and is well known in
our diving community.
5) Most dive stores in this state have used this as a training site for
anything from basic scuba to instructor
to mix, but most use it for advanced class deep dives.
6) Most divers up here in the puget sound don't dive below about 80'
because of sunlight penetration and
significant reduction in marine life below this depth.
Having explained this I believe Garrett was responding to some idiots
blanket statement about taking students to dive sites where they could
exceed the depth limits of their gas is criminally dangerous. The words
"tunnel
vision" and "this guy doesn't live in the real world" come to mind when I
read statements like that.
Air fills in the puget sound area run 4 to 6 dollars and nitrox is
about 8 to 10 dollars. You may get 10% of the divers to dive nitrox but I'll
bet you never get the rest to switch.
I would not define the above slope as a "hard bottom" and the last time
I checked my agencies training standards there was no mention of a " hard
bottom" requirement.
----
David
Central Washington Scuba Center
www.cwscuba.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: KybrSose@ao*.co* <KybrSose@ao*.co*>
To: scubait@ix*.ne*.co* <scubait@ix*.ne*.co*>
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Learning to identify and minimize risk - planet of the apes
part two
>In a message dated 9/20/98 2:22:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
>
>> And, if you remeber correctly, my example was a shore dive with a slope
that
>> oculd
>> reach 500 feet. Should open water students be diving there? That's the
>> question I
>> addressed.
>>
>> Where do we draw the line?
>>
>> Garrett Weinberg
>
>
> Garrett,
>
> How far is this slope? The continental shelf drops off some 40 miles or
so
>out to sea, but I think you have a more dramatic slope in mind.
>
> I cannot believe you would actually use the phrase "open water students",
in
>conjuction with the phrase " 500 feet". This is beyond ridiculous. All the
>agencies limit their open water students to 60 fsw or so of depth, and all
>require hard bottom sites for this training. Most recommend additional
>training before diving more advanced sites. Maybe you need to spend some
time
>on rec.scuba to refresh yourself with whats what.
>
> The original example concerned diving the top of the Hydro Atlantic with
a
>nitrox ill suited to the bottom< no nitrox is, Btw>, without regard to
>contingencies.
>
> While you may subscribe to the personal freedom interpretation of diving
>limits that says only you are responsible for you, those of us who survive
>your antics will surely call stupidity just that.
>
> I stand by my opinion stated below.
>
> regards,
>
> Al Marvelli
>
>
>>
>> KybrSose@ao*.co* wrote:
>>
>> > In a message dated 9/20/98 11:59:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
>> >
>> > > Do you remember those types of divers? They don't care at all about
>> > > technical divers. They don't care about mix, they don't care about
>deco,
>>
>> > > they just want to put on a single tank and go diving and have fun.
No
>> dive
>> > > plan, just pure enjoyment.
>> >
>> > And you were discussing taking these divers to deep dive sites, and
>> hoping
>> > they could deal with it. Taking divers equiped as such, with these
>> mindsets,
>> > to dives sites that dont have a hard bottom at 100 fsw is criminally
>> reckless.
>> >
>> > My opinion.
>> >
>> > AL Marvelli
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