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>Al, > I never said I personally take basic scuba Classes to this site. The naui >standards say the STUDENT cannot exceed 60' not the Bottom cannot exceed >60'. I always take my students to a variety of dive sites, sometimes because >certain skills work better at some sites sometimes just to increase the >students exposure to different enviornments, I would not hesitate to take >students to this site to get certain things accomplished. If you have a set >of standards(which by the are outdated) you will also find the part about >the students shall remain under the instructors control and sight at all >times until skills have been completed. So with vis that runs about 5-15 ft. >my students aren't getting far from me and I wont get anxeity problems over >the slope. >---- >David >Central Washington Scuba Center >www.cwscuba.com >---- >-----Original Message----- >From: KybrSose@ao*.co* <KybrSose@ao*.co*> >To: jamie@cw*.co* <jamie@cw*.co*>; scubait@ix*.ne*.co* ><scubait@ix*.ne*.co*> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:52 PM >Subject: Re: Learning to identify and minimize risk - planet of the apes >part two > > >>In a message dated 9/21/98 9:13:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jamie@cw*.co* >>writes: >> >>> Al, >>> Heres some info on Mukilteo State Park: >>> 1) State park is open to divers of all certitification levels >>> 2) The "500' slope" starts about 30 yards from shore. >> >> So 200 feet out from shore you could have open water students floating >over >>150- 200 fsw, or more? >> >>You dont see a problem with this? >> >>> Having explained this I believe Garrett was responding to some idiots >>> blanket statement about taking students to dive sites where they could >>> exceed the depth limits of their gas is criminally dangerous. The words >>> "tunnel >>> vision" and "this guy doesn't live in the real world" come to mind when >I >>> read statements like that. >> >>That was me. I stand by my statement. You would seem to be guilty of >myopia, >>in that you cant see the potential danger of your dive site. Why cant you >>teach open water somewhere else? somewhere safer? >> >>Furthermore did you see the conditions on both my statement and Garrett's?? >> >>> I would not define the above slope as a "hard bottom" and the last >>time >>> I checked my agencies training standards there was no mention of a " >hard >>> bottom" requirement. >> >> The NAUI standards that I have , dated 1991, list the following: >> >>Openwater I course standards >> >> IV Required course minimums >> G. Thirty feet nine meters is the max depth for the first open water >>training dive and sixty feet 18 meters is the max depth for any open water >>training dive during the course >> >>and >> >> VII Skill performance objectives >> >> F.air consumption/navigation >> 2. using environmental navigation aids and a compass, travel >underwater >>to a designated location for a set period of time. >> >> >> So tell me, dont you need to be within sight of a "hard bottom"< as >opposed >>to "bluewater"> as to satify both the above requirements?? >> >>Al Marvelli >> >>> >>> >In a message dated 9/20/98 2:22:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> >scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes: >>> > >>> >> And, if you remeber correctly, my example was a shore dive with a >slope >>> that >>> >> oculd >>> >> reach 500 feet. Should open water students be diving there? That's >the >>> >> question I >>> >> addressed. >>> >> >>> >> Where do we draw the line? >>> >> >>> >> Garrett Weinberg >>> > >>> > >>> > Garrett, >>> > >>> > How far is this slope? The continental shelf drops off some 40 miles >or >>> so >>> >out to sea, but I think you have a more dramatic slope in mind. >>> > >>> > I cannot believe you would actually use the phrase "open water >>students", >>> in >>> >conjuction with the phrase " 500 feet". This is beyond ridiculous. All >>the >>> >agencies limit their open water students to 60 fsw or so of depth, and >all >>> >require hard bottom sites for this training. Most recommend additional >>> >training before diving more advanced sites. Maybe you need to spend >some >>> time >>> >on rec.scuba to refresh yourself with whats what. >>> > >>> > The original example concerned diving the top of the Hydro >> > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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