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Mike Zimmerman wrote: > > Mike, I think you are missing a MAJOR piece of the problem here....you are > > assuming the instructor will follow the "Zimmerman" standards, and do the > > "diving is dangerous talk". > > NO Dan. What I am saying is that there is more than one way to attack > this problem. In the mouse/mouse-trap analogy you guys are focusing > on removing any possible trap from the world, I am suggesting we > make smarter mice. Laudable as both goals may be, you will never > remove all the traps, and all the mice will not get smarter, however > by working on both goals, fewer mice will get caught. > > These do not have to be mutually exclusive goals ....snip... > > The new divers will NOT be able to tell the McKulties from the Jablonski's, > > Dan we are talking about techincal training. By this point in a diving > career we can and should expect and instill some sense of self-responsibility. > > People have a funny way of living up to expectations Dan. You accused > Wrolf of being dangerous. Look at your own postings and consider the > effect. I suggest divers take some responsibility, exercise some > judgement and you attack the idea. What kind of divers are you > advocating? > > > That's the Amemrican consumer, as sad a statement as it is. If you don't > > like it, just where do you plan on finding a better home for your > > ideologies? > > Simple Dan, I choose to live my idealogies. You have to start with > yourself. As I stated before... sign me up with the worst instoketor > you can find Dan... let them try to kill me. I promise you Dan > they will have a very hard time. If I can make it hard for them > what is so objectionable about encouraging others to do the same? > > Or maybe this is just a religion like Steve suggested, where only > the "gods" can "save" you, and you are helpless to help yourself. > > You could teach people to look after themselves rather well if > you were willing to abandon your single-track ideas. > > Remeber Dan, what is the goal? The goal is not to nash instructors, > the goal is not to make ourselves feel good after an accident by assigning > blame, the goal is to help prevent future accidents. > > Helping student-divers to play a part in that prevention cannot be > a bad thing, yet you guys can't see past your solution to see > that others may exist and improve the overall results. > > Mike So let us get on with it. As I posted earlier, perhaps we can discuss some guidelines for instructor selection. If we can reach some consensus on these, I would be happy to post them on my website (which has a somewhat wider readership than techdiver), as I am sure would a number of others. As a hopefully noncontroversial kickoff on how to pick an instructor: 1. Instructor should mandate (whether personally or from agency), 132 fsw max END, 1.4 max ppO2 on the bottom, 1.6 max ppO2 on deco. This probably excludes all TDI instructors at this time, since as I read it, they have no way of teaching trimix without a deep (>130fsw) air course prerequisite. 2. The instructor should both look at your logbook, and then sit you down for a quiet chat about your diving, your rationale for diving, why these courses fit in to your diving career. 3. On being asked, they should be prepared to discuss the same, and show you their log books, including when they completed instructor training, and students that they have trained. 4. Class sizes should meet or beat the agency requirements, especially with regard to instructor student ratio in the water. Instructor (plus assistants) to student ratio should ideally be one to one at all times, but up to six or even twelve to one is conceivable in the classroom. Instructor (plus assistants) to student ratio should be one to one in the water. 5. They should come well recommended. Ideally by personal friends of yours who you have no qualms about trusting your life to, again. Who know considerably more than you do about diving. Who came back from the course praising it and the instructor (and boasting a little about how well they did!) -- Wrolf Wrolf's Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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