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In a message dated 9/3/98 9:31:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
zimmmt@au*.al*.co* writes:
> Joe student is hearing nothing telling him that he has a role to
> play in saving his own ass. Nothing telling him not to rush blindly
> ahead so he'll have his big-damn-deep-trimix-wreck card by
> his 30th dive. Instead we have an instructor lynch-mob running around
> proclaiming they will make the world safe for the most naive and
> unthinking of students.
Mike, what is the bigger error, that students have the gall to think they
can dive without experience, or that instructors take their money, risk be
damnned????
<<Both parties have many chances to prevent a student from being where
they
<<should not.
But the instructor has the final say. He is the final stop gap. The ratio
can never be 50/50 or 100/100. I would suggest 1000/300 if you must use these
absurd numbers.
You still have no
> <<good reason for anyone to go on a trust me dive.
(Question #1) Come Al, give me an example. You keep dodging the question.
Personally Mike, I think these rebreathers are really a crap shoot, and most
of them really are a whole different ball of wax from open circuit. From what
I understand about them, having any dive experience may actually be
counterproductive, and the biggest problem is divers thinking their advanced
level of open circuit experience gives them a leg up. It would seem that a
would be breather diver would need to make a number of trust me exposures
before he had a full handle on what he was doing.
Of course I am mainly relying on the opinion of Mr. Richard Pyle to make that
comment, and I hope he wont mind it. But thats a whole different conversation
and not one I wanted to fuse into this discussion, thus the dodge Mike.
>>> why can't we work on both ends of the solution?
We certainly can, but which is more important? The instructor is the one
more likely to have contact with the larger number of students right? He is
the one who will make more judgement calls right Mike??
while the student does make his dives mostly without supervision, he does this
because the instructor sold him the cards that allow him to do what he is
doing right?? He has to buy fills, equipment, boat spots etc, and without the
necessary bona fides, He aint getting in right Mike?
Isnt a good instructor saying "no", or better saying "not yet, I will tell you
when" , better than relying on a diver's own self assesment? You may think you
are ready for anything, and the instructor who says you aint is a stroke, but
how do you really know?
The captain of the boat I mate has a saying " i've never seen a diver as good
as he thinks he is" and he includes looking in the mirror.
<< how was the dive??
The dive was nice, rode through a thunderstorm for an hour long dive at 20
fsw, saw a nice tiny butterfly fish, and a a lot of dead lobster, all had
holes in their shells, like they all were attacked by acid rain. very strange
and sad to see . We recovered a sample for the folks at coney island aquarium,
if I find out anything significant I will let you know.
later
al marvelli
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