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> If you re read *all* of the last two posts I think its clear I am not placing > full blame on the instructor, but rather the majority of the blame. Can you > think in terms of both being blameworthy Mike Absolutely Al. My issue is that SO FAR the list has primarily focused on how to AVOID putting any blame on the student. "It was their instructors fault" "It was their gear's fault" Joe student is hearing nothing telling him that he has a role to play in saving his own ass. Nothing telling him not to rush blindly ahead so he'll have his big-damn-deep-trimix-wreck card by his 30th dive. Instead we have an instructor lynch-mob running around proclaiming they will make the world safe for the most naive and unthinking of students. > and if so then can we discuss some ratios of blame. say 60 /40 instructor/student 100/100 instructor/student. Both parties have many chances to prevent a student from being where they should not. Al, the reason I focus on the *student* is this... 99% of the dives a diver does are WITHOUT an instructor. That reduces the blame ratio to 0/100 Now which part is the most important part to focus on? > <<You still haven't supplied an example training dive that any > <<tech student couldn't prepare for. You still have no > <<good reason for anyone to go on a trust me dive. > > So Mike ........ blah blah blah.... :-) (question #1) Come Al, give me an example. You keep dodging the question. > Is there anything you'll admit to not knowing?? Yes, why you are so hard-headed? :-) (too easy, sorry) (question #2) So is it fair to say we both agree both parties have a responsibility in this situtation? Assuming you answer yes to #2 (and that you dodge #1 again.. :-) ) then why can't we work on both ends of the solution? why is everyone so bloody afraid of telling new divers that their ass is in their own hands and they'd better take an interest in looking after it? So how were the dives? Mike -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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