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From: <RLatulip@ao*.co*>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:24:36 EDT
To: CaptnDale@ao*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: A Call to Arms
In a message dated 8/31/98 8:33:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaptnDale@ao*.co*
writes:

>  I wish it were, but I have no reason to make this up.

I have no reason to believe that you are making this up but
 really who the hell needs weights with double steel tanks.
Are you sure that they were not just listening to storys about
tech diving and decided to go and order gear?
If not then we all would like to know who sold them the gear
and told them to practice in it.

>I don't know if a DIR instructor recommended the hip weight, but
> he did, indeed have one.

They didn't need the hip or V-weights, hell I would sink right 
to the bottom in the rig you described.
  
  
>  Now, you are making an assumption.  I never said that they were using dry
>  suits.  In fact, they were using 7mm wet suits.  Obviously, dry suits are 
> the proper suits to wear with this rig.  Why did not this DIR instructor
tell
>  these divers this?  Why did he put them in this equipment without 
> supervision?

Uhm what makes you think it was a DIR instructor I think you need to
provide a name here! I dive 7mm wet suit with double 95's and a cave light
sometimes with an AL 80 stage or two. My wings have plenty of lift.

However in the rig you mention I would once again sink like a rock 
(and I am normally negative with no gear on).   I really think you owe
new tech divers on this list the name of the instructor or to verify if
maybe they did some of this on their own.


>  This was a rank beginner.  She lost the regulator as she jumped in the
water.
>  The hose came off her head due to the collision with the water's surface. 

The way the hose is supposed to be wrapped all that needed to be done was
to trace the hose up the dfront of the body and around to the second stage.
However your right a beginner never in doubles with minimal dives does
not even have a comfort zone with regular OW gear never mind a cave
setup. 
  

1.  We would just love to ask them who the instructor was that told them
     to go home and dive in that rig. I am sure the appropraite agency
     would like to know as well.

2. They shouldn't have had any weights on them as the tanks and light was
    enough to sink them like a rock (given they were in average to great
shape).

3. They shouldn't have been in the gear to begin with and you should of asked 
    for a cert card up front or a dive log. Don't boats ask this anymore?

I am not knocking you just asking that the story be fully verified as the
divers might of just been trying to slip on by without getting the proper
trainning as some on this list has suggested doing.
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