Jim

You need to keep in mind that not all people are as intuitive as you are.
Many of them need the support of someone to point out the right and wrong
way to do things. The trial and error in the pool. That is one of the reason
for training.

The training can also help us avoid people getting hurt, the benefit of
group discussions, and the right way (from the sport and industry standards)
to do or use the equipment.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 4:13 PM
To: KybrSose@ao*.co*; Rubrifolia@ao*.co*
Cc: Tech Diver
Subject: Re: A Call to Arms


Al, I think the point is that you can learn stuff by doing rather than
taking the word of a person who may or may not know whatinthehell they
are talking about.

I never took a drysuit course. I read the manual and did some research on
the side and jumped in. It took about 10 or so dives to perfect the
drysuit technique but now I adjust it automatically and don't even know
it's there. But I did not do a feet-first or any of the other pratfalls
because, via research, I avoided them. The worse thing that happened is I
was so intent on keeping the suit deflated, I forgot about the wings. I
had to deflate them to get back down to deco depth.

I will bet if Lizzie had RTFM (read the fucking manual) he would not have
lost the drysuit. If I did take further training and the instructor said
to the stuff the long hose I would tell *him* to get stuffed because I
have determined on my own that it's the way to go...

Ccards are great and all that but keep in mind that there is a whole
generation of divers before us who have already learned the hardway (and
don't to this day have ccards) and put these experiences down for those
of us who are motivated to find and learn.

 Jim

Sender: KybrSose@ao*.co*  Date: 8/31/98 2:09 PM

>In a message dated 8/31/98 1:03:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>Rubrifolia@ao*.co* writes:
>
>> his is an intense activity.....thats one of its attractions.....but the
>ocean
>>  is an implaccable force....it doesn't give a hoot about how many cards
you
>>  have or how much money you dropped on them or your gear configurations,
if
>> its
>>  macho or the latest in tech or DIR......DIR has to start with simply
doing
>>  it.....and having the internal knowledge or sense or awareness of ones
own
>>  ability level....
>
>
>Yes, but.............
>
>  We were discussing the paradigm of the student and the incompetent
>instructor.
>
>   It would seem that there are at least some instructors that dont
>understand
>what they are doing. We both know they are out there, we see their students
>all the time. < ccard please?  oh scuba network, you've had no formal
>training
>then>   THe guy who paniced over the lost mask, was he trained correctly??
>The guy who was cut out of a brand new northern diver dry suit after
blowing
>up on the Lizzie, becasue his instructor told him to close the exhaust
valve
>and never open it during the dive,< I saw the suit and heard the story at
>Raimo's>, did he receive quality instruction?  who is at fault there??
>
> If you dont know any better and no one else tells you your instructor is a
>moron, who should shoulder the burden of that, the student??
>
>We know who the asshole instructors are, but we dont say anything, why??
>
>Doesn't our silence implicate us in their suffering??
>
>Al Marvelli     aka  KybrSose@ao*.co*
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