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Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:37:12 -0700
From: "Steve Hogan" <Steve_Hogan@qm*.sp*.tr*.co*>
Subject: Re: "Dangerous on the Net".
To: "'cavers'" <cavers@ge*.co*>, "'Tech Diver'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     "Dan Volker"

Dan Volker wrote:
>If Hanzel wants to disagree with George's taste in music---fine---he has the
>right, and this disagreement will "kill" no one. When George/WKPP and DIR
>diving say with absolute certainty, that a certain practice ( say, stuffing
>the long hose, or using tanks with no markings ) is WRONG, for Hanzel or
>Wrolf to "argue" with this, and demand proof, is tantamount to threatening
>the safety of any who listens to them. Neither of these individuals has ANY
>skill level allowing them to place their ideas on Equal footing with DIR
>philosophy. Yet by the intensity with which they argue, they can effectively
>destroy the potential DIR has to save lives. By their "demanding" of proof,
>for each DIR practice or configuration, they slow the acceptance, and raise
>enough doubt in the mind of the novice, to prevent immediate adoption of a
>practice that would save their life.

Now how is this for "don't think about it, just do it my way"

Some of these guys just love to argue, others are really trying to learn.
If your explanation is that they should accept it without understanding it
maybe 
you should rethink what you are doing. If your point is also that argueing
about the points of the DIR concept slows the acceptance, so what! If they
have an incomplete understanding of the DIR/Hogarthian reasonings and 
concept, then the incomplete system is also useless. Part of the philosophy
behind DIR is knowing what EVERY part of the gear is there for. There is 
a good reason WHY for every piece chosen for the job. To simply say accept 
my way because it is the best and don't question it is not going to work. If 
one can "effecitively destroy" the DIR concept with arguments, then maybe the 
concept has some flaws and is unable to stand on its' own merits. There is
nothing wrong with demanding proof of anything that relates to life support.
If it is done in a way that upsets you, too bad, grow up. If you are too
impatient to deal with those that require more proof than you did, maybe
you are not the right messenger and should keep the mouth shut until
you find a way to explain it in a more rational (and complete) fashion.

I dive Hogarthian and I agree it is the best system I have seen so far (and
have made some modifications to it myself), but to simply say that you 
have put all of the thought into it and someone else does not need to is
not acceptable. Try communicating the entire idea, not just the pieces.
Simply saying "do it my way and don't think about it" is not going
to work.

Steve Hogan


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