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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:40:26 +0200
From: Ingemar Lundgren <ingemar.lundgren@mb*.sw*.se*>
To: wrolf@co*.ne*
CC: kirvine@sa*.ne*, Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>,
     ahall@di*.co*, cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: tripple this Re: CONTINUOUS REBREATHER DEATHS was Re: Death was a Bigot
Shut up and stop complaining asshole. You are the one who should leave this
forum
not George. I for one happens to benefit allot from George's knowledge and
willingness to share..

Wrolf Courtney wrote:

> Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> > I don't care about anyone suing me ( that would be welcome - we could
> > put the bullshit on trial then )
>
> Your statement seems to be inconsistent with that of your attorney in
> this forum.  Could one of you clear that up?
>
> >  Why is it that when I have an opinion or information, the Wrolfs have
> > such a huge problem with that? Is it becuase my opinion carries the
> > weight of the best track record in tech diving, and several worlds
> > records, as opposed to the words "going to", "planning to " , "only if"
> > , "getting ready to", etc??
> >
> >  I think that is the real problem.
>
> Nope.  See http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/index.shtml#techdiver, that
> should give you an idea of the real problem, as I see it.
>
> Yes, when you insulted me as your very first post to me, back when you
> were a baby net.diver, you certainly got me mad, and have kept me mad
> ever since.  See
> http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/subject?acceptable+ppo2s.
>
> Yes I felt (and feel) angry at all the techdiver members who could not
> put up with your potty mouth.  Not only the lurkers, who's first message
> is there last ("I'm outta here, you foul mouthed bunch of wankers").
> But the divers that I know, or have met, who told me that they tried it
> for a while, and all they saw was uninformative ravings.
>
> But it isn't about that.  After all, I have been insulted by
> professionals - George doesn't really count.
>
> What counts for me is the suppression of free speech caused by George's
> potty mouth, harassment, lies, and overbearing manner.
>
> And at what cost?  For all I know, I would be down at Harvey's store
> hanging out with him this afternoon, if he had been able to read in
> techdiver, from his peers, about the (WKPP?) practice of turning off
> your deco gas valve, until use.  Or perhaps we would all be hearing from
> him about the time that he had one of the QE2 captains that he had been
> hanging out with on the cruise back from England, on the dive boat over
> the wreck of the Oregon - an occasion of some historical significance.
>
> This is not about who has made the most dives.  This is not about who is
> a key part of a fantastic underwater exploration team.  This is not
> about diving exploits.
>
> Its about being a civilized human being, with the ability to engage in
> effective discourse.  Your potty mouth; your ad hominem attacks; your
> lies, deceits, and trickery completely wipe out your message.
>
> They also do collateral damage the messages of all of the other posters
> and readers in these forums.  By SHOUTING louder than everyone else, you
> are suppressing their free speech.
>
> I think the best idea would be for you to leave the techdiver forum,
> since it is so full of us strokes, and start your own.  There are now
> even free services like www.listbot.com for this.  I assume that there
> are also commercial free services, plus any decent Unix/Linux admin
> should now how to get started (majordomo or listserv, plus MHonArc for
> archiving, seem to be the best choices.)
>
> This would give you the opportunity to say what you want, to the people
> who want to hear.  If you want, you can also decide to moderate who can
> join your list (I can think of at least one who might not be invited).
> Or you can even moderate what messages are broadcast (though this is a
> lot of work).
>
> I'll even put a pointer to it on my site.
>
> Thank you all.
> --
> Wrolf
>
> Wrolf's Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf



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