Errol, Smithers is a chain-smoking endomorph who could not carry his
tanks to the water. He has taken an "intro to cave class", has bought
some fake rebreather that he did not like, bought another one that he
does, and is now the big expert on everything in diving. He does not
know what a 30 minute bottom time is , let alone the 30 hours he is
fopcasting for the usdct, and we all know there is nobody on the usdct
who could do the dives we did even if we tried to go with them to whow
them how. 

The bottom line is that nobody has done anything worth talking about
other than the way we do it, and I guess Will does not know about
Olivier Isler and the other record holders , either. What do they know ,
what do we know. 

Will, if you are going to speak for JJ, try asking him privately what he
thinks. You are about one step away from me publicly blowing your head
clean off . course from JJ, you asshole



Errol Kalayci wrote:
> 
> Will,
> Perhaps your rebreather has gone hypoxic one too many times, as you seem to
> have lost a few brain cells.  Regardless of whether you like George's
> delivery, he is right.  You simply can not successfully argue any
> counterpoint, of the WKPP system.  If you could, we would be doing it that
> way.  What other team in history, has ever accomplished so much?  We are
> simply doing dives that you seriously can not even comprehend.
> 
> Sorry that you do not like George's delivery, or the fact you are wrong.
> Get over it.  Isn't is strange, that six divers dove this past week using a
> Halcyon Rebreather with zero problems while setting a world record.  It
> seems even stranger that this same group, tells everyone how insidiously
> dangerous Rebreathers are, and that one needs a reason to dive the machines.
> Even stranger is the fact, that the Halcyon training last 4 times longer
> than many other rebreather courses, and has substantial advantages over
> others in our application.  Yet you think another team with electronic
> rebreathers are going to come in with volunteer saturation operators and
> dive a cave system for the first time and "Whup our asses".  I would laugh
> if it didn't make me sad to think of the multiple body recoveries we will
> have to do, if they can ever pull off their dog and pony show.
> 
> I am not sure why you felt you needed to bring JJ and his dietary habits
> into your ranting, but at least you feel he is more refined than George.  JJ
> is a gentleman, insulting him upsets me.  Evidently I am not as great a
> gentleman as JJ, as I cordially invite you to go Fuck Yourself!
> Errol
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William M. Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
> To: Katherine V. Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Cc: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ca*.co*
> <cavers@ca*.co*>; rebreather@nw*.co* <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: GUE. "Smear Campaigns, Gilliam, etc
> 
> >
> >On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> >
> >> Divemaster, ANDI for gas, IANTD for Supervisor ratings with Mount as my
> >> certifier,
> >
> >Hmm, I could quote here, but I won't bore the general public.
> >
> >
> >> I was a TDI Mix instructor until Gilliam booted me for
> >> discussing Rob Palmer's death in an unflattering fashion,
> >
> >make that a *paper* TDI instructor, as you yourself have
> >spend endless flames emphasising - that you got your
> >cert by merely asking.  This is Hypocrasy to an unbearable
> >level.  We all know this had nothing to do with Palmer's death.
> >
> >> and I am
> >> currently enrolled in a NAUI OW instructor course with Larry Coyne as my
> >> instructor.
> >
> >Great, I'm sure you will make an *excellent* OW instructor.  ;)
> >
> >>   I have no intention of ever teaching diving to anyone.
> >
> >Good, because JJ is infinitely more articulate, and while
> >he has a certain reserved judgemental smugness that I would expect
> >from the WKPP (and a presumptious, young, idealistic Vegan), he still
> >out-refines your ass by a mile - no question. Granted, his Vegan
> >beliefs pre-select more people than is
> >reasonable, but you still have to respect the guy.   George,
> >I seriously suspect that JJ, like most of your team, simply
> >respects the fact that you are the permit holder, much more
> >than the fact His Holiness is the one who holds that permit.
> >There is very little explanation otherwise.
> >
> >> As you all can see I still dive wherever
> >> and whenever I want and will do so as long as there is water. You can
> >> not beat my reality with a stick , a magazine, or a techdiver list.
> >>
> >
> >Yet to be seen.  We're all watching your current John Henry-esque efforts
> >to rage against the inevitable encroachment of technology upon
> >your little copper mine.  Like it or not, the USDCT has your ass whupped
> >on the technology front, and I expect that will continue until
> >you manage to surpass Bill Mee's (et al) '60's mentality toward Systems
> >Design.  By all accounts (except yours, of course), their high-tech
> >mapper is exceeding all expectations, and with the saturation
> >habitat they've got in place, six, eight, ten, or even thirty
> >hour bottom times are entirely within reason.  Face it, even *those* guys
> >will manage to eat your lunch when they've got 30 hours of
> >bottom time to expend.  Your recent pleadings to the various lists
> >for support do nothing but back up the fact that you're running scared.
> >
> >
> >>    I can tell you all this. Somebody faked me on "hotmail" and sent this
> >> around to our sponsors, my boss, and to others. This I am suing the
> >> service provider for, as there were damgages. This may lead to one of
> >> you out there. Carmichael was equally damaged in this, and he is also
> >> suing. Until this is resolved, there will be no email with "George
> >> Irvine" on it from any source. It will all come from my family and
> >> friends.
> >
> >George, that wouldn't stand up in court for two seconds, which
> >I'm sure you'd know if you didn't have a Florida Yokel for
> >a lawyer.
> >
> >>    I realize that there are several big time dive instructors out there
> >> who have a tough time with me. However, there are enough people out
> >> there who have learned our methods to keep all of these guys honest with
> >> or without me. That is what they are so pissed about, and that is why
> >> they focus on me.
> >
> >No, they focus on you for the simple reason that, at the the end, you are
> >a rude prick.
> >
> >>    You can't beat me because it is not "me", it is "us" - everyone who
> >> sees the reality. Face it and quit diverting to me.
> >>
> >
> >People divert to you for a reason - you are a magnet for
> >abuse.  I think the "deep air" message has gotten across
> >quite well, and for that, you are to be congratulated - it
> >was about time.  But that point is obvious, here in the
> >late '90's, and as far as I can tell, you are just railing
> >against the inevitable machine.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >-Will
> >


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