Bill Mee wrote:
> 
> Will,
> 
> I only hope  that this epistle was an attempt at humor. You are
> beginning to tread on very thin ice lately and we are really wondering
> what your allegiances and agenda are. You know nothing about George's
> relationship with JJ (which goes back 9 years) and nobody in our
> organization appreciates your public speculation on this matter. This is
> a  private and complex issue not subject to your arrogant
> characterization (i.e. friends with G. because he is the permit
> holder).   Another little bit of advise.  Research your smart ass
> remarks a bit more in the future, for your own sake. Your sarcastic and
> unflattering reference to Alton Hall as George's "Florida Yokel lawyer"
> demonstrates very questionable judgment. Hopefully,  Alton Hall takes no
> umbrage at your cutesy rural reference and only perceives this as one
> more example of  Smither effluvia.
> 
> As for technology, you for some reason think that we wear blinders. We
> employ whatever methods are feasible and practical given the resources
> and constraints imposed by a volunteer organization. There is an
> overriding realization within the WKPP that there is no substitute for
> skill and teamwork. Technological gimmickry can go just so far and we
> will not experiment with technologies which have not been validated.
> CCRs and nickel metal hydride battery powered scooters are useless in
> the hands of those who are unfamiliar with the challenges of extreme
> exposure, long range diving in an overhead environment.
> 
> As an  "Expert Systems Designer" I would most appreciate your
> enlightening us about what sort of transportation and breathing system
> you would propose for exploration in Wakulla. Explain in detail what
> methods you have for dealing with a breathing device failure, a scooter
> failure, thermal protection failure and a simultaneous breather and
> scooter failure. Will, there is no tree node or branch allowed which
> terminates in "diver terminated".
> 
> For your edification you need to know that it is almost impossible to
> position a saturation habitat  much greater than 80fsw within Wakulla.
> For the excursion bottom times you are suggesting (i.e. 6 - 30 hrs) you
> are talking of  deco times on the order of 7 hrs before entry to  the
> sat habitat is possible. Have you or any other of your USDCT team
> members ever been subjected to this lengthy an in water exposure ?  It
> is not possible to complete bottom times of this duration on  anything
> other than a rebreather. Tell us when, what and where is the rebreather
> to be employed at Wakulla. When and where will the training take place
> outside of the local swimming pool?  Do you think that people should
> practice under something approaching real conditions or is that just
> wasteful frivolity?
> 
> On another note…. George's Father's boat captain first observed you
> swaggering along the docks of Saba clutching a "Gavin" scooter. This was
> duly reported back to George. His characterization of you was something
> to the effect of "where did the chain smoking tobacco stained walking
> cadaver with the 12" dick get one of your scooters?".
> 
> Will, we now have one of our dive teams named after you.  No joke. They
> are affectionately referred to as the 12-D team. In fact Chris Werner,
> 12-D team leader,  thought you were really a George fake. Now he knows
> better.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill
> 
> William M. Smithers wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> >
> > > Divemaster, ANDI for gas, IANTD for Supervisor ratings with Mount as my
> > > certifier,
> >
> > Hmm, I could quote here, but I won't bore the general public.
> >
> > > I was a TDI Mix instructor until Gilliam booted me for
> > > discussing Rob Palmer's death in an unflattering fashion,
> >
> > make that a *paper* TDI instructor, as you yourself have
> > spend endless flames emphasising - that you got your
> > cert by merely asking.  This is Hypocrasy to an unbearable
> > level.  We all know this had nothing to do with Palmer's death.
> >
> > > and I am
> > > currently enrolled in a NAUI OW instructor course with Larry Coyne as my
> > > instructor.
> >
> > Great, I'm sure you will make an *excellent* OW instructor.  ;)
> >
> > >   I have no intention of ever teaching diving to anyone.
> >
> > Good, because JJ is infinitely more articulate, and while
> > he has a certain reserved judgemental smugness that I would expect
> > from the WKPP (and a presumptious, young, idealistic Vegan), he still
> > out-refines your ass by a mile - no question. Granted, his Vegan
> > beliefs pre-select more people than is
> > reasonable, but you still have to respect the guy.   George,
> > I seriously suspect that JJ, like most of your team, simply
> > respects the fact that you are the permit holder, much more
> > than the fact His Holiness is the one who holds that permit.
> > There is very little explanation otherwise.
> >
> > > As you all can see I still dive wherever
> > > and whenever I want and will do so as long as there is water. You can
> > > not beat my reality with a stick , a magazine, or a techdiver list.
> > >
> >
> > Yet to be seen.  We're all watching your current John Henry-esque efforts
> > to rage against the inevitable encroachment of technology upon
> > your little copper mine.  Like it or not, the USDCT has your ass whupped
> > on the technology front, and I expect that will continue until
> > you manage to surpass Bill Mee's (et al) '60's mentality toward Systems
> > Design.  By all accounts (except yours, of course), their high-tech
> > mapper is exceeding all expectations, and with the saturation
> > habitat they've got in place, six, eight, ten, or even thirty
> > hour bottom times are entirely within reason.  Face it, even *those* guys
> > will manage to eat your lunch when they've got 30 hours of
> > bottom time to expend.  Your recent pleadings to the various lists
> > for support do nothing but back up the fact that you're running scared.
> >
> >
> > >    I can tell you all this. Somebody faked me on "hotmail" and sent this
> > > around to our sponsors, my boss, and to others. This I am suing the
> > > service provider for, as there were damgages. This may lead to one of
> > > you out there. Carmichael was equally damaged in this, and he is also
> > > suing. Until this is resolved, there will be no email with "George
> > > Irvine" on it from any source. It will all come from my family and
> > > friends.
> >
> > George, that wouldn't stand up in court for two seconds, which
> > I'm sure you'd know if you didn't have a Florida Yokel for
> > a lawyer.
> >
> > >    I realize that there are several big time dive instructors out there
> > > who have a tough time with me. However, there are enough people out
> > > there who have learned our methods to keep all of these guys honest with
> > > or without me. That is what they are so pissed about, and that is why
> > > they focus on me.
> >
> > No, they focus on you for the simple reason that, at the the end, you are
> > a rude prick.
> >
> > >    You can't beat me because it is not "me", it is "us" - everyone who
> > > sees the reality. Face it and quit diverting to me.
> > >
> >
> > People divert to you for a reason - you are a magnet for
> > abuse.  I think the "deep air" message has gotten across
> > quite well, and for that, you are to be congratulated - it
> > was about time.  But that point is obvious, here in the
> > late '90's, and as far as I can tell, you are just railing
> > against the inevitable machine.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Will

Mr Smithers:

For the record I am not a "Florida yokel". My practice is in New
Orleans. If, as I suspect, you need further information or clarification
on the law please see our web site, http://www.dabhh.com/ or feel free
to call me at 1-800-diver55. Perhaps I can clear up a thing or two for
you. By the way, that is Mr. Yokel to you. Alton Hall
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