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dlv wrote: > > > >> WKPP doesn't care if you learn, Mike. > > > >George has stated multiple time that his his, er, "determined" manner > >is because he wants to help people be safer. I dunno, I'd equate that > >to him wanting to educate others. While I think his tone goes > >above and beyond what is needed, I still think it is out of concern and > >not because it trips his trigger. > > > > Mike, > This is not an uncommon situation....in the nutrition and fitness training > universe, the best of the best that I have ever met is Terry Giles, trainer > of Olympia winning bodybuilders, Famous Ironman Triathletes like Mike Pigg > and Dave Scott, and scores of others at the pinacle of their competitive > sport. He also is one of the best creators of high end nutrition products. > Like George, he will explain things to people who ask him nicely, and he'll > spend quite a bit of time with them---because he wants to. But if someone > want's to take an arguementative tone with him, and demands to have Terry > prove something, he will be more likely to tell them to go eat shit, etc. I can understand that it might be frustrating to go through the same questions again and again - this is why it's good to have references to sources dealing with them. It's a commonly used method in the academic world, and might save both parts some gray hairs. An argument is not likely to solve anything; a discussion in which the participants are prepared will be more fruitful. > Asking George to prove OMS bungied wings are bad, would be like asking Terry > to "prove" an athlete needs 6 or 7 meals per day, as opposed to 2 or 3. He > might give you one quick answer, but he would be pissed that you would > question his knowledge---he has spent 20 years perfecting his knowledge, and > does not need to "prove" his knowledge to anyone. Its there for those with > the right attitude, and the absolute proof is in the results. The same as > with George. No one in diving can touch George's safety record, especially > with the magnitude of the depths, durations, and penetration levels he has > accomplished with his team. > George has not gotten WKPP to where it is in cave diving by "luck". He has > done his research, tested everything, tried everything out, refined it, and > on and on.... and if he is sure of something related to safety in tech or > cave diving, you should take it as gospel. He certainly does not need to prove his knowledge to anyone and he can at any time elect not to participate in a discussion/flame war. As you've said, his record speaks for itself and I'm delighted that there are people this dedicated to making the sport safer. On the other hand, I do not want a totalitarian technocracy in the dive community, in which nothing can be questioned and gear configuration must be accepted as a matter of faith. The Hogarthian method methodically explains in a logical manner why it is built the way it is, something that is very good. But when someone makes an inquiry regarding the pro's and con's of equipment considered non Hogarthian, it is my humble opinion that it shall be addressed in a similar manner. Claims must be backed up by facts, and if education is what's important, creating for example a web page dealing with it as a reference might be worthwhile. Ad hominems, while amusing, serve little purpose in a serious debate. If you want to convince someone of something and this is your main objective, use a language/method they understand. Unsupported assertions are much more likely to make a skeptic even more suspicious, making it harder to convey the message. Having said that, I think the DiR and Hogarthian rigging systems do an exemplary job of dealing with a controversial subject in a factual, logical way, unlike specific manufacturers of certain "wings". > And you would do this "because" of his records. No one else has them. > Certainly not Mount, Gilliam or any of the posers out there who think their > opinions are equivalent. > Regards, > Dan > I'd still ask, in as humble a voice as possible, how he came to the conclusion. If he then tells me to fuck off, it's too bad for me. -- Claus Lisberg, Founder of PSWEH (Poor Students With Expensive Hobbies) Nirfur prophet #1, a.a atheist #1116 "A casual stroll through an asylum will show that faith proves nothing." - F. Nietzsche -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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