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Subject: Re: student responsibility
To: john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk* (Taylor John)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: zimmmt@au*.al*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
From: zimmmt@au*.al*.co* (Mike Zimmerman)
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Marie Curie died of aplastic anaemia due to playing with radium. Jacques
> Cousteau nearly died (twice) diving with pure O2. These were not
> "blithering helpless idiot(s)". Had someone been around with greater
> knowledge of the safety implications of these unfortunate acts, would
> you think it wise to pass on the info?

These students are not discovering the moon, nor radiation, nor
hoseless regulators :-)  They are progressing along the next step
in diving education.  The corner is not blind, what lies around
the corner is not kept secret.

A student need not be mindless to be a student, I am simply
saying it is important to keep that in mind.  A student should
not be expected NOT to think... rather a student should be
expected to do no less... to think... to question... to 
challenge.

There is a student and an instructor involved.... BOTH have
a responsibility in the arrangement.

To put it another way... it'll be a cold day in hell when you 
find me in a course doing something magnitudes beyond my ability.
I'm young, I have the time, I'll do it slowly.... increment by
increment.

Sounds like you won't be my instructor though... you don't expect 
enough of me as a student.  I'd rather work with someone who has
more respect (which carries with it expectations) for their
trainee.

If you think I am trying to absolve the instructor you are very very
wrong, and you need to back up, take a breath and think.  Life isn't
just black and white... and just because one person may have been 
totally wrong does not make the other person totally un-wrong.

I;m just saying in the process of lynching the instructor, let's 
not forget that we can ALSO help avert these incidents by 
encouraging the students to make themselves very aware.  
The goal is the same isn't it?  Helping prevent these incidents.
Informed students could put quite a scare into bad instructors.
Just as per economic theory... informed consumers tend not to
choose poor quality goods (instruction).  In the end that
could be quite more effective than any policing by the
agencies that you could dream up.

Or is the goal the lynch party, in which case yeah, I can see
this type of post might be messing things up.

I dunno, you tell me.  Hell I'm just saying the student has more
than a nothing role in the process.

Mike
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