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Mike, Marie Curie died of aplastic anaemia due to playing with radium. Jacques Cousteau nearly died (twice) diving with pure O2. These were not "blithering helpless idiot(s)". Had someone been around with greater knowledge of the safety implications of these unfortunate acts, would you think it wise to pass on the info? JT >> The Chemisty analogy fails... we are talking NOT about taking CHEM 101, but >> about a student already with SEVERAL chemistry courses, taking CHEM 401, or are >> you suggesting Trimix is an entry level course???? No this student (of >> chemistry or diving) should have enough knowledge to know that the >> bondage of wings + 5 tanks + new com gear mixed in an enviroment beyond >> their experience is less than prudent. -- John Taylor, Marketing and Trading Systems, IT Development Credit Suisse Financial Products (Hong Kong) Ltd, 13F, Tower 3, Exchange Square, Central, Hong Kong Office: +852 2101 6927, Fax: +852 2101 7698, Mobile: +852 9031 6395, email: john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk* > -----Original Message----- > From: zimmmt@au*.al*.co* [SMTP:zimmmt@au*.al*.co*] > Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 9:42 PM > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: student responsibility > > > > This post could go on and on listing reasons it is absurd to > require your > > > students to know what is safe and unsafe diving and training > before they > > > even take the class. If you are taking a chemistry class in > college and the > > > professor says mix y and z and you blow up; are you at fault for > not > > > knowing chemistry BEFORE you've even taken the class? > > > > 1. I think you misunderstand the main point. I don't think anyone > is > > suggesting that students should be _required_ to know that an > instructor > > is safe or not, and furthermore noone is suggesting that students > should > > have the _liability_ for choosing a poor instructor. What people > are > > suggesting is that students morally have an obligation to check out > their > > instructor first. This moral obligation in no way translates to a > leagal > > one. > > > > 2. I think it is reasonable to expect a student to know basic safe > > practices or not when signing up for a trimix course. They should > already > > have a lot of experience and should already be comfortable in the > water > > diving doubles and deco diving. Idealy speaking, at the basic > level, > > moving up to trimix should be nothing more than learning some new > theory. > > The skills should already be there. Of course, practicaly speaking, > this > > is rarely the case. But, as a mater of point, I was/am one of the > > students you referred to above. I am not yet trimix certified. A > couple > > of months ago, I was signed up for a trimix course. After meeting > with > > the instructor and discussing his philosophies and views, I droped > out of > > the course. From what I had learned here, elsewhere, and just > common > > sense, I knew that he was an unsafe instructor. It is possible, and > it > > should be encouraged for students to question their instructors. > > Been out of town, but glad to see Andrew is sticking up for a little > responsibility on BOTH sides of the instructor/student relationship. > There is certainly nothing wrong with expecting the STUDENT to be > something > more than a blithering helpless idiot, or is that what people want? > > The Chemisty analogy fails... we are talking NOT about taking CHEM > 101, but > about a student already with SEVERAL chemistry courses, taking CHEM > 401, or are > you suggesting Trimix is an entry level course???? No this student (of > > chemistry or diving) should have enough knowledge to know that the > bondage of wings + 5 tanks + new com gear mixed in an enviroment > beyond > their experience is less than prudent. > > Many (dare I say most) of the trimix skills can be practiced by the > motivated > student in a quarry (shallow) with as many tanks as they want hanging > from their > sides... all filled with air... I would not fathom taking such a > course without > being happy with staging... and where do I find the resources to > figure > out how to stage? Right here on the net. When the instructor places > the task > load so high with new gear/procedures that I feel uncomfortable, I'll > say so... > more likely though I try to find out what is expected ahead of time > and make > sure I practice it enough so I WILL be comfortable with it. > > This is not to say that any instructor is free from blame... far from > it... > incompetence is incompetence... this is just to argue that the student > should > not turn their brain off when they disengage their wallet from their > ass. > And that is the way many of the arguments seem to be running. > Encouraging > dumb blind lemming students serves NO ONES best interests. > > Mike > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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