Tom,

That is correct.  I have not told you the instructors name.  Like I said
before, he did not violate any standards.  I disagreed with him on his
views and practices, but I have no intention of dragging his name through
the mud here.  

If you really want to know his name, email me privately, and tell me why
you want to know his name, and if I agree with the reasons, I will tell
you.

Regards,

Andrew Drapp


On Mon, 18 May 1998, Tom Mount wrote:

> You still have not told me the instructors name
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Drapp <andrew@ce*.co*.jp*>
> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> Cc: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>; susan m. innes
> <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>; cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>;
> techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 11:56 PM
> Subject: Re: student responsibility
> 
> 
> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >Sorry for the misunderstanding.
> >
> >I was actually taking an IANTD Trimix course.  Due to differences in
> >philosophy with the instructor, I dropped out of the course.  I did not
> >feel that the level of his knowledge and experience were worth my money.
> >Additionally, I did not feel that he practiced safe diving procedures.
> >So, I dropped out of the class.
> >
> >I must stress however, that he did not violate any standards.  As such, I
> >do not want to give out his name.  He is knowledgeable.  I just didn't
> >expect a Trimix instructor to be bragging about his deep air dives, that
> >he is continuing to dive.
> >
> >So, I still have not done a mix course.  As soon as I can find an
> >instructor I trust, I will take the course.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Andrew Drapp
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 15 May 1998, Tom Mount wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew
> >> What agency did you do your trimix with?
> >>
> >> I checked to see what instructor it could be and in the data base you are
> >> listed as Advanced EANx instructor and also as the highest IANTD diver
> >> certification as Advanced EANx diver. So I assume you were training with
> a
> >> different agency in the mix course
> >> tom
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Andrew Drapp <andrew@ce*.co*.jp*>
> >> To: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>
> >> Cc: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>; cavers@ca*.co*
> >> <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >> Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 1:04 AM
> >> Subject: Re: student responsibility
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Dan Volker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think the real point is being avoided so far in this discussion.....
> >> The
> >> >> real issue is, hundreds, if not thousands of students, have been
> trained
> >> >> with  catastrophically incorrect technical diving procedures...
> >> >
> >> >Dan, why not take it a step further?  The instructors who are teaching
> >> >these "catastrophically incorrect procedures" think that they are
> teaching
> >> >the right thing.  Who taught them?  Put the blame where the blame
> belongs,
> >> >on the Instructor trainers, and on the agencies for having to lax of
> >> >standards.  I do not know enough about the situation that started of
> this
> >> >topic, so I won't comment on it.  However, in my case, the instructor
> who
> >> >was going to teach my trimix course was following every standard.  He
> was
> >> >still unsafe.  The first clue was his bragging about 90m air dives, when
> >> >he was a trimix instructor.  There were many others, including the
> refusal
> >> >to do deep stops, and the refusal to use pure O2, because both were
> >> >"unsafe" according to him.  But, he was following standards.  He was
> doing
> >> >as he was taught.
> >> >
> >> >> The responsibility CAN NOT lie on the student, it MUST lie on the
> >> negligent
> >> >> instructors, and on the weak and narrow shoulders of Tom Mount, who
> >> should
> >> >> know better,
> >> >
> >> >Once again, I don't think anybody is claiming that the "responsibility"
> >> >(in a legal sense of the term) sshould lie on the student at all.
> >> >However, the last and final authority on what equipment I use, what
> >> >profile I dive, and if I dive or not, is ME, and only ME.  Even in a
> >> >classroom, I will not give up that right.  When I am teaching courses, I
> >> >do not expect my students to give up that right either, and I tell them
> >> >that.  However, as an instructor, I am still leagally responsible for my
> >> >students.  In a trimix course, I expect the same.
> >> >
> >> >> but who prefers to believe his own hype over the much safer
> >> >> procedures George Irvine, Bill Mee, and Robert Carmichael  have been
> >> trying
> >> >> to instill in him over the last few years--- but to no avail.
> >> >
> >> >That is one thing that has always annoyed me about George.  His ranting
> >> >doesn't bother me at all.  But, what does, is that, he talks alot about
> >> >what is the right way of doing things, but vary rarely gives reasons.
> And
> >> >if you ask why, the answer almost always comes in two forms, 1) you are
> an
> >> >idiot and 2) because it works, and look at how much we have
> accomplished.
> >> >None of it says _why_.  I'm not saying that he is incorrect at all, just
> >> >that I would like to know why, what he says is correct, if it is.  But,
> >> >this is off topic...
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Andrew Drapp
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 

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