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> > This post could go on and on listing reasons it is absurd to require your > > students to know what is safe and unsafe diving and training before they > > even take the class. If you are taking a chemistry class in college and the > > professor says mix y and z and you blow up; are you at fault for not > > knowing chemistry BEFORE you've even taken the class? > > 1. I think you misunderstand the main point. I don't think anyone is > suggesting that students should be _required_ to know that an instructor > is safe or not, and furthermore noone is suggesting that students should > have the _liability_ for choosing a poor instructor. What people are > suggesting is that students morally have an obligation to check out their > instructor first. This moral obligation in no way translates to a leagal > one. > > 2. I think it is reasonable to expect a student to know basic safe > practices or not when signing up for a trimix course. They should already > have a lot of experience and should already be comfortable in the water > diving doubles and deco diving. Idealy speaking, at the basic level, > moving up to trimix should be nothing more than learning some new theory. > The skills should already be there. Of course, practicaly speaking, this > is rarely the case. But, as a mater of point, I was/am one of the > students you referred to above. I am not yet trimix certified. A couple > of months ago, I was signed up for a trimix course. After meeting with > the instructor and discussing his philosophies and views, I droped out of > the course. From what I had learned here, elsewhere, and just common > sense, I knew that he was an unsafe instructor. It is possible, and it > should be encouraged for students to question their instructors. Been out of town, but glad to see Andrew is sticking up for a little responsibility on BOTH sides of the instructor/student relationship. There is certainly nothing wrong with expecting the STUDENT to be something more than a blithering helpless idiot, or is that what people want? The Chemisty analogy fails... we are talking NOT about taking CHEM 101, but about a student already with SEVERAL chemistry courses, taking CHEM 401, or are you suggesting Trimix is an entry level course???? No this student (of chemistry or diving) should have enough knowledge to know that the bondage of wings + 5 tanks + new com gear mixed in an enviroment beyond their experience is less than prudent. Many (dare I say most) of the trimix skills can be practiced by the motivated student in a quarry (shallow) with as many tanks as they want hanging from their sides... all filled with air... I would not fathom taking such a course without being happy with staging... and where do I find the resources to figure out how to stage? Right here on the net. When the instructor places the task load so high with new gear/procedures that I feel uncomfortable, I'll say so... more likely though I try to find out what is expected ahead of time and make sure I practice it enough so I WILL be comfortable with it. This is not to say that any instructor is free from blame... far from it... incompetence is incompetence... this is just to argue that the student should not turn their brain off when they disengage their wallet from their ass. And that is the way many of the arguments seem to be running. Encouraging dumb blind lemming students serves NO ONES best interests. Mike -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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