Tom,

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I was actually taking an IANTD Trimix course.  Due to differences in
philosophy with the instructor, I dropped out of the course.  I did not
feel that the level of his knowledge and experience were worth my money.
Additionally, I did not feel that he practiced safe diving procedures.
So, I dropped out of the class.

I must stress however, that he did not violate any standards.  As such, I
do not want to give out his name.  He is knowledgeable.  I just didn't
expect a Trimix instructor to be bragging about his deep air dives, that
he is continuing to dive.

So, I still have not done a mix course.  As soon as I can find an
instructor I trust, I will take the course.

Regards,

Andrew Drapp


On Fri, 15 May 1998, Tom Mount wrote:

> Andrew
> What agency did you do your trimix with?
> 
> I checked to see what instructor it could be and in the data base you are
> listed as Advanced EANx instructor and also as the highest IANTD diver
> certification as Advanced EANx diver. So I assume you were training with a
> different agency in the mix course
> tom
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Drapp <andrew@ce*.co*.jp*>
> To: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>
> Cc: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>; cavers@ca*.co*
> <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: student responsibility
> 
> 
> >
> >Dan Volker wrote:
> >
> >> I think the real point is being avoided so far in this discussion.....
> The
> >> real issue is, hundreds, if not thousands of students, have been trained
> >> with  catastrophically incorrect technical diving procedures...
> >
> >Dan, why not take it a step further?  The instructors who are teaching
> >these "catastrophically incorrect procedures" think that they are teaching
> >the right thing.  Who taught them?  Put the blame where the blame belongs,
> >on the Instructor trainers, and on the agencies for having to lax of
> >standards.  I do not know enough about the situation that started of this
> >topic, so I won't comment on it.  However, in my case, the instructor who
> >was going to teach my trimix course was following every standard.  He was
> >still unsafe.  The first clue was his bragging about 90m air dives, when
> >he was a trimix instructor.  There were many others, including the refusal
> >to do deep stops, and the refusal to use pure O2, because both were
> >"unsafe" according to him.  But, he was following standards.  He was doing
> >as he was taught.
> >
> >> The responsibility CAN NOT lie on the student, it MUST lie on the
> negligent
> >> instructors, and on the weak and narrow shoulders of Tom Mount, who
> should
> >> know better,
> >
> >Once again, I don't think anybody is claiming that the "responsibility"
> >(in a legal sense of the term) sshould lie on the student at all.
> >However, the last and final authority on what equipment I use, what
> >profile I dive, and if I dive or not, is ME, and only ME.  Even in a
> >classroom, I will not give up that right.  When I am teaching courses, I
> >do not expect my students to give up that right either, and I tell them
> >that.  However, as an instructor, I am still leagally responsible for my
> >students.  In a trimix course, I expect the same.
> >
> >> but who prefers to believe his own hype over the much safer
> >> procedures George Irvine, Bill Mee, and Robert Carmichael  have been
> trying
> >> to instill in him over the last few years--- but to no avail.
> >
> >That is one thing that has always annoyed me about George.  His ranting
> >doesn't bother me at all.  But, what does, is that, he talks alot about
> >what is the right way of doing things, but vary rarely gives reasons.  And
> >if you ask why, the answer almost always comes in two forms, 1) you are an
> >idiot and 2) because it works, and look at how much we have accomplished.
> >None of it says _why_.  I'm not saying that he is incorrect at all, just
> >that I would like to know why, what he says is correct, if it is.  But,
> >this is off topic...
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Andrew Drapp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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