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william, all of the agencies seem to have some sebalence of meningfull standards. the problem is that it appears that many times the instructors choose to bypass them. this causes things such as the WBT incident to happen. IMHO the biggest problem throughout ALL LEVELS of dive education is the lack of experience of the divers to move on to the next level. a student can run from a beginner to an instructor in less than a year(i am being generous here). this person is then "teaching" others to do things he has only limited time doing. this problem has now crept into the tech levels & we have & agoing to pay the price for this in the long run. until we recognize the importance of experience & stand behind the enforcing of that standard we will continue to have deaths such as WBT. hank In a message dated 98-03-04 18:00:13 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: Fw: Divers Supply, IANTD, Tom Mount and tragic technical diving Date: 98-03-04 18:00:13 EST From: wwittman@we*.co* (w wittman) To: phreatic@ju*.co* (William R Robinson) CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>IS it true that EVERYONE considers more stringenet training necessary? >>i suspect there isn't that degree of unanimity. >>plenty opf popele probably consider the standards tough enough. > >> >>to me it's the BIGGER issue that standards are often taken as only >>guidelines by some cowboys. >> > >Surely you meant to say that it is a bigger issue that some cowboys >forget that the standards are a MINIMUM guideline, and forget to enforce >them stringently enough. > yes and no.. i ALSO mean that a cowboy who for example decides that what might be advances in diving technology or physiological understanding might ALSO be thrown out with the bathwater because HE KNOWS what's best for all of us. i guess i don't think that agency standards are a BAD thing. in fact i think that the more stabndardised we can get courses the BETTER off the TYPICAL consumer/student is going to be. on the other hand, again, thsoe standards need to be well advised. w -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com> Received: from relay18.mail.aol.com (relay18.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.18]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v40.2) with SMTP; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:00:13 -0500 Received: from bighorn.terra.net (bighorn.terra.net [199.103.128.2]) by relay18.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA29152; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (mail@lo*) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for id QAA17520; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:40:42 -0500 Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for techdiver id UAA06181; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:04:13 -0500 Received: from westnet.com (root@we*.co* [206.24.6.2]) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.8) with ESMTP for <techdiver@aquanaut.com> id UAA06173; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:04:12 -0500 Received: from [206.28.203.16] (port16.ts2.westnet.com [206.28.203.16]) by westnet.com (8.8.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA07139; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:02:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <v01540b04b122588a6f5f@[206.28.203.16]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:04:50 -0500 To: phreatic@ju*.co* (William R Robinson) From: wwittman@we*.co* (w wittman) Subject: Re: Fw: Divers Supply, IANTD, Tom Mount and tragic technical diving Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >> -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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