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From: "Randy Sullivan" <sulteck@ic*.ne*>
To: "Jon Guizar" <jeg154@ps*.ed*>, "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
Subject: Re: What Kind of diving are you doing?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:30:41 -0500
Cave diving is not the same as ice diving.  Please get that though your
skull.  I have done a river dive for a mile 25 times and have never
surfaced.  Does that qualify me to do a 2,500 penetration. I don't think so.
Why do you think you can use cave equipment to ice dive?

I can say the same thing about cave diving.  What is at 1,000 feet that
isn't at 100'.  I believe it is still just rock.  I understand the
scientific value of deep penetration, but why do it for fun.  We in the
north have to accept that for 4 months a year of our dive season has ice on
the water.  I love to dive and have little money so we dive the conditions
that are present.  Some, like myself, deal with it by ice diving.  Others
fly or drive south to dive.  This may be me if it keeps snowing today.

I am sure if I had caves in my area I too would be a cave diver.  For now
I'm ice diver waiting for thick ice like a cave diver waits for the water to
clear.

Randy Sullivan
Sault Ste. Marie, Ont
sulteck@ic*.ne*
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Guizar <jeg154@ps*.ed*>
To: 'Nanci LeVake' <nlevake@pi*.co*>; Bob Sherwood
<sherwood@st*.lr*.co*>; Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co* <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 5:40 PM
Subject: What Kind of diving are you doing?


>Why would someone freeze their ass off to go 100 feet under the ice?   If
there is a mission to be accomplished, then do it.  Take the necessary cave
training, assume some responsibility for yourself and "the team"  and do it.
The cave line isn't going to BREAK.
>
>If you need to alter the order of entry based on the preference for
visibility you should try cutting a hole in the ice where the water below is
more than two feet deep.  That way the vis wouldn't go to shit from people
getting in and out.
>
>What's the big deal with finding the exit if a 10 foot walleye chews your
cave line.   Just go back to the point of entry the same way you would if it
were open water.
>
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