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From: "Randy Sullivan" <sulteck@ic*.ne*>
To: "Jon Guizar" <jeg154@ps*.ed*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "'cavers@ge*.co*'" <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
Subject: Re: ICE - Cave - ICE - Cave
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:43:57 -0500
From what I have seen and read I too cave rig, less the reel and light.  I'm
a wreck dive and don't do penetration.   Some day I will tack cave training
when they make it so that you don't have to go in the cave.  I have a hard
time going in a cave or mine that is dry.  I can do it but I really don't
like to.
Randy Sullivan
Sault Ste. Marie, Ont
sulteck@ic*.ne*
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Guizar <jeg154@ps*.ed*>
To: 'Randy Sullivan' <sulteck@ic*.ne*>
Cc: 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; 'cavers@ge*.co*'
<cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 9:43 PM
Subject: ICE - Cave - ICE - Cave


>You Wrote:
>Cave diving is not the same as ice diving.  Please get that though your
>skull.  I have done a river dive for a mile 25 times and have never
>surfaced.  Does that qualify me to do a 2,500 penetration. I don't think
so.
>
>I SAY:
>I agree Randy.  That would probably not be sufficient.  Sounds like it
could be interesting though.
>
>You Wrote:
>Why do you think you can use cave equipment to ice dive?
>
>I Say:
>Because I do it Randy.  I too live in the NorthEast and have to settle for
ice diving.  That does not mean I want someone tying a rope to me while I'm
in the water.
>
>You Wrote:
>I can say the same thing about cave diving.  What is at 1,000 feet that
>isn't at 100'.  I believe it is still just rock.
>
>I Say:
>Ignoring the personal satisfaction one gets from exploring new things,
there might have been a time when I would have agreed with you, but now, at
some sites, you need to go 2000 feet back at depths of 100fsw or more just
to see something other than mass destruction caused by the jerks on
scooters.   These are people that have no technique and no appreciation for
the need to strive for perfection.  They correct for their lack of skills by
riding a scooter (big mistake).
>
>You should consider some cave training Randy.  Not for the purpose of cave
diving, but rather, for a new perspective on diving in an overhead
environment.  I would be surprised if you did that and still maintained that
cave diving has nothing to do with ice diving.  In Fact, I would bet that
you would change a few diving practices.
>
>
>No caves for me to dive in locally Randy but I can assure you that I dive a
full cave rig on almost every dive I do.
>
>Jon
>

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