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Steve, you're sounding like an idiot. You let me know when you do some real diving and not the kind of drug abuse diving you are recommending, and get into some situations with people on air and then report back , hopefully making sense this time. I guess I am not as smart or a tough as you, and I guess my experience and results don't stand up to the "food for thought" from the likes of you. It is the kind of crap you just wrote here that gets people killed. Sure, we can "handle" being impaired - been there done that more than you or the tough guys who recommend air ever will. The fact is we are not even remotely close to being as good as we would be if we did it right, and there is nothing in anything you have said that is food for anything but fish, and that is the result most often achieved by deep air divers. If you want to get high, have the balls to do that right, don't mix it with diving. My favorite all time deep air stroke story is the late and great Dennis Sirven of France. He smoked up a fat doobie, got shit-faced drunk, got naked, stumbled over and put on his drysuit while still naked, grabbed his doubles with air and a side bottle of weak mix, and dropped to 400+ feet hoping to pick up some safety bottles and go even deeper. My thinking is that if he had had more training, maybe from this Timothy Leary guy, or from Batman, or maybe even from you, he could have "handled" it. The fact is that there is no person on this planet that can "handle" impairment, and diving is not for strokes to prove they have a set of non-existent balls, it is for lifelong fun. Let me suggest a good crackhouse to you and your friends, and suggest that maybe you go to one of the guys in dive instruction who has a clue, like Jablonki, or one of the instructors trained by him, and see if you can get in the water with any of us without being so embarrassed that you change your name and move to Iraq. Steve Schinke wrote: > > I believe that deep air diving and cave diving should be kept as > seperate entities. If you plan to dive deep in a cave then gas is the > way to go because in a cave narcosis is just another added > stress/imparement. however if one is talking deep wall dives to 200 > feet then i don't think there is anything wrong with it as long as it is > within your limits. being slightly narced at 200 is not that big of a > deal(depending on diving environment) and is seems like a waste of gas > and $$ to dive mix when not needed. again when mix is needed is a > personal thing. Anything deep in an overhead environment i think should > definately be done on mix no fu**ing around in that. > > Food for thought > > safe diving > > STEVE > >Well, there is the obvious that we all problably recognize, Steve, but > >the most insidious is the 120 to 170 zone where you really can't "feel" > >much impairment, and that is where the unexplained accidents seem to > >occur. In our diving, it is where the stupid stuff happens, so we do > not > >do it at all. > > > >Narcosis is like boiling a frog - if you put the frog in some water, > >turn on the stove, and bring up the heat, he might sit there until > >boiled. On the other hand, if you tried throwing him into a pot of > >boiling water , he would jump out. You take a hit of air at 200+ after > >being on gas, you will feel it a couple of minutes later very vividly. > >If you go dwon to 200+ on air, you may not not. When you get into the > >big numbers, you don't really care. > > > >Given my choice, I always dive mix, even at 100 feet, but in the > >Project, we deco on nitrox 35% from 120 up, but we have gas on our > >backs, and we have come up from the deep stops on another trimix. We do > >not allow air diving anymore. I personally will not dive with anyone > >diving air - I don't have to. > > > >There is nothing to be learned form impaired diving, and really deep > air > >diving is nothing more than drug abuse -just look at the players there. > >The dive training organizations are full of dopes who think there is > >some ability to do this, or some machoism associated with it. There are > >some very, very, very stupid people in diving instruction. We are not > >talking Harvard Business School graduates, we are talking work at the > >Seven Eleven or teach diving assholes. > > > >Keep in mind also, Steve, that the many "deep air" courses require > >little or no money to teach, but if you can require them, you can make > a > >nice profit. Hopefully, we get a few of these deaths to bite some ass, > >and we get the insurance companies to quit insuring it. > > > > > > > >Steve Schinke wrote: > >> > >> Just curious but what to you consider deep air diving??? > >> > >> STEVE > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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