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Being slightly narced at 200' on air isn't a big deal until you get entangled in monofilament (or some other thing you don't think could happen to you). I saw someone do that on a wreck at 200' and the diver was on gas, and I was the one who wound up cutting him out because he wasn't sure of what was happening to him. I can't even imagine what he would have done if he was on air. > From: "Steve Schinke" <tekdive@ho*.co*> > To: gmirvine@sa*.ne* > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ww*.ge*.co* > Subject: Re: deep air diving > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:23:19 PST > I believe that deep air diving and cave diving should be kept as > seperate entities. If you plan to dive deep in a cave then gas is the > way to go because in a cave narcosis is just another added > stress/imparement. however if one is talking deep wall dives to 200 > feet then i don't think there is anything wrong with it as long as it is > within your limits. being slightly narced at 200 is not that big of a > deal(depending on diving environment) and is seems like a waste of gas > and $$ to dive mix when not needed. again when mix is needed is a > personal thing. Anything deep in an overhead environment i think should > definately be done on mix no fu**ing around in that. > > Food for thought > > safe diving > > STEVE > >Well, there is the obvious that we all problably recognize, Steve, but > >the most insidious is the 120 to 170 zone where you really can't "feel" > >much impairment, and that is where the unexplained accidents seem to > >occur. In our diving, it is where the stupid stuff happens, so we do > not > >do it at all. > > > >Narcosis is like boiling a frog - if you put the frog in some water, > >turn on the stove, and bring up the heat, he might sit there until > >boiled. On the other hand, if you tried throwing him into a pot of > >boiling water , he would jump out. You take a hit of air at 200+ after > >being on gas, you will feel it a couple of minutes later very vividly. > >If you go dwon to 200+ on air, you may not not. When you get into the > >big numbers, you don't really care. > > > >Given my choice, I always dive mix, even at 100 feet, but in the > >Project, we deco on nitrox 35% from 120 up, but we have gas on our > >backs, and we have come up from the deep stops on another trimix. We do > >not allow air diving anymore. I personally will not dive with anyone > >diving air - I don't have to. > > > >There is nothing to be learned form impaired diving, and really deep > air > >diving is nothing more than drug abuse -just look at the players there. > >The dive training organizations are full of dopes who think there is > >some ability to do this, or some machoism associated with it. There are > >some very, very, very stupid people in diving instruction. We are not > >talking Harvard Business School graduates, we are talking work at the > >Seven Eleven or teach diving assholes. > > > >Keep in mind also, Steve, that the many "deep air" courses require > >little or no money to teach, but if you can require them, you can make > a > >nice profit. Hopefully, we get a few of these deaths to bite some ass, > >and we get the insurance companies to quit insuring it. > > > > > > > >Steve Schinke wrote: > >> > >> Just curious but what to you consider deep air diving??? > >> > >> STEVE > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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