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I can't wait for the responses. Let the fun begin! At 09:24 PM 12/9/97 +-100, you wrote: > >>From David Skoumal to Lawrence Orchard > >My answer and my own commentary about dive to depth lll meters=20 >/ Blue Hole Dahab Sinai Egypt /. >At first who were actress of this dive.First- my friend Ammar Keylani >- Instructor TDI, ANDI a Extended range Instructor and Trimix diver > and me- David Skoumal- I am not tourist from Russia ,but from Czech > republic two StarsCMAS Instructor, Cave diver with about 10 years > experiences in cave diving/ explorations in caves in Cuba and Sardegna , >with long distances explorations-more than 2 kilometers , also with=20 >many deep dives to 100 m with air also in caves with extremely=20 >conditions ,diving under ice in air temperature to minus 20 deg.Celsius, > solo diving in the caves, diving like supporter with Michael Pauwels in=20 >his deepest dive 155 m in Hranicka abyss in Czech republic etc. >Me and Ammar we are general practice medical doctors, for our diving > we use last knowledges from medicine/ for example hydratations with=20 >special antioxydant solutions ,drugs after diving. >This deep dive wasn"t first to deep arround 100 m.For me is it about=20 >10 years of training against nitrogen narcosis in the dark in the caves ..= =20 >I think, that I have more experiences than you my dear Lawrence I dont > know exactly ,what did you see- contact eye to eye, but I think that you > must be really stupid. If you want to write some article, please before is > necessary during diving see with clear brain. Is it true that I use Zeagle= =20 >buoyancy , twin 12 l Luxfer div. cylinders, 2 separate Poseidon Jetstream > Regulators.If I looked really uncomfortable during my hanging to Ammar > and his safety deco bag- thats your opinion not my. >Also I use new model of Aladin Pro Uwatec-one on my hand, but also=20 >spare second on console.Also this snorkeller broughts for us spare=20 >deco tank with octopus reg. and hot tea for hydratation during long > decompression.and I knew very well what to do with it. >Thats all of my explanation for you . =20 > >Best regards >David Skoumal, Czech republic. > > >---------- >Od: Lawrence Orchard[SMTP:DiveBase@cl*.ms*.co*] >Odesl=E1no: 6. XII 1997 19:04 >Komu: gmirvine@sa*.ne* >Kopie: TechDiver List >P=F8edm=ECt: RE: Deep air kills two more > >I was on holiday just north of Dahab, staying at The Canyon dive site near the=20 >Blue Hole, the week after the incident. > >As I understood it the two divers were British PADI Divemasters just about to=20 >start their IDC. As it happens the IDC was cancelled on account of their=20 >deaths at the Blue Hole. > >They were on single Aluminium 12 ltr set ups and had been down to 110m. The= =20 >bottom of the hole slopes out seaward through a massive arch starting at= 60m=20 >to 130m before finally dropping off into the Abyss. > >The Blue Hole must have one of the highest death rates in the world as far as=20 >dive sites go. I stay in the area on average every six months for a week, and=20 >it seems everytime I go there, people have just died either at the Blue= Hole=20 >or The Canyon sites. > >Why? > >The reasons are endless, but overall there is a sick culture there, evolved= =20 >from Dahab's drug reputation. Young back packers have for years taken in Dahab=20 >on their route round the Middle East to chill out as such. Many of them end up=20 >staying there for months, some never leave... alive. > >Mix in a little SCUBA diving with this and you have the perfect nightmare.= I=20 >can only imagine they learn a little diving, experience narcosis and think= =20 >this is the way to go once they're board of just smoking pot or whatever. > >There is most definitely a focus on "how deep did you go?". > >After a dive out there everyone always asks us "how deep did you go?" =20 >probably on account of my using twin independent Ali's Hogarth rig AUL= light=20 >etc. When I reply with something like 35m they look back at me= incredulously=20 >convinced that we must have been further, they just don't get it. > >Now the best bit. Every time we go to stay there we visit the Blue Hole for= =20 >one morning only, once you've dived in it the once its pretty boring. However=20 >there is a prettier site just round the corner called "Bells" on account of= =20 >some rock formations. Whilst kitting up for the dive one of the PADI=20 >Instructors I know there came over all excited. He proceeded to tell us= that=20 >two divers kitting up near us were going to dive to 110m in the Blue Hole.= =20 >This is just one week after the two aforementioned deaths! Business as usual I=20 >guess. My friend went on to explain that one of them is a TDI Extended= Range=20 >instructor and Trimix diver, the guy he's taking down is a tourist from=20 >Russia. I commented that I assumed they would be using Trimix and had support=20 >plans in place etc. "Oh no, they're doing it on air." I was horrified, but= =20 >what could we have done? > >Oh I should mention there is no helicopter service to the pot in this region,=20 >and it takes 2.5 hours from the Blue Hole to the chamber in Sharm El Sheikh by=20 >knackered taxi. > >My diving companion and I went off and made our dive, coming back over the= =20 >hole with a little decompression commitment, and encountered these two=20 >carrying out decompression. I've never seen anything like it. The= instructor=20 >was hanging at about 9m on his deco bag, the other guy was hanging on to= him=20 >looking really uncomfortable, the twin set he had on his back looked like some=20 >cobbled together Zeagle arrangement, his buoyancy didn't look at all right. We=20 >both passed near them and checked they were OK, I remember making eye to= eye=20 >contact with the instructor, peoples eyes can look funny through diving masks,=20 >his were glazed as if he where on another planet, something haunts me about= =20 >this as I feel like I've looked in the eyes of the grim reaper. My diving= =20 >companion was a little closer than me, and later told me he had managed to= =20 >read 111m on the Russians old style Aladdin computer. Then to top it all off,=20 >down came a snorkeller with a cylinder and regs flayling everywhere and handed=20 >it to the Russian who looked like he didn't know what to do with it. Ah that's=20 >the support set up then I remember thinking. > >Our computers cleared and we elected to get out the water. We were stunned and=20 >didn't want to be around any more to watch. > >I made some enquiries about this guy, and guess what, apparently he was on the=20 >boat when Rob Palmer died! His name is something like "Amah", apparently he is=20 >Syrian. He has been in Dahab for some months trying to make money buy= taking=20 >people deep on air. Most of the responsible dive centre managers have told him=20 >to sling his hook. Shame he couldn't take the initiative and start getting mix=20 >up there as the place needs it. > >Later I spoke to my instructor friend, and he related a conversation he had= =20 >had some time ago with this Amah guy. Apparently he talks in riddles as if he=20 >is some kind of monk/guru, about going deep and breaking a theoretical=20 >umbilical cord between yourself and the rest of the world, if you're meant to=20 >come back you will, if you're not you wont! > >Well that's all I know, sorry to go on a bit, but I'm getting fucked off with=20 >people like him ruining it for the likes of me out there and killing those who=20 >maybe don't know any better. > >Best regards >Lawrence > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> Northwest Labor Systems http://www.nwls.com Bellingham, WA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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