George

Kevin is one of the biggest pushers for iANTD not to have air dives
deeper than 50 meters every since he first came on board. He is the co
author of the new intermediate trimix workbook we are publishing January
1. He is an ouitstanding member of IANTD and has done more a lot to
contribute to our safety in training standards and policies and has my
and most of IANTD's utmost respect.
2. I doubt if he has much interst in havung confrotations with you as he
is too bust doing productive things.
3. On most issues in particular deep air you beleifs are quite similar,
thus your only debates would be on style of delivery
Tom mount
G. Irvine wrote:
> 
> John, it was the Slob, Kevin Gurr, the Dive Rite importer ( apparently
> this guy is a little out of touch) (( not the OMS guy)), and two of
> Gurr's friends.Gurr is just a crybady who does not like the fact that I
> hold him in the highest contempt as a laughingstock ( and I see several
> others do, too), and give him no respect, which is well more than he
> desrves. He does not have the balls to go direct with me,and he always
> kisses my ass when he sees me. Whether they were friends of Palmer or
> not, who knows, and now we konw how much influence kevin Gurr and the
> Slob have in the UK - same as everywhere- ZERO. This is not about
> Palmer, it is about deep air. I barely knew Palmer, but I know deep air.
> I was really hoping that at least one of these dimwits would step up and
> pet the pony, as the ensuing verbal mutillation would have been precise.
> I think they sensed that when they saw me in person - I have no problems
> calling an idiot an idiot to their face, and proving it on the spot. Ask
> Hal Watts - he tied it at Tek 96. He looked more than stupid in about
> one second - that is because I have been there done that and have the
> track record, and they do not, have not, will not, and best not try. I
> have an endless reserve of information to draw upon with lightening
> speed and all they have is a tiny piece of a hazy puzzle. Your very
> basic battle of wits with unarmed opponents. Nobody has ever or will
> ever win this one with me because I am right, and all the dead guys
> prove it weekly.
> 
> John Grogan wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 06, 1997 18:42:29, '"G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>' wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I did get the opportunity in the UK last
> > >week to devote a solid ten minutes before a giant audience to explaining
> > >this, after some of the idiots wrote their usual letters and even went
> > >so far as to pull the fire alarm on Hans Hass, a real show of class by
> > >the worst bottom feeding pieces of crap in this sport.
> >
> > It's true.  Everyone was pissed off about that, although I think a lot of
> > it was due to standing in the rain for 30 minutes until they declared the
> > building safe.  Some of us were worried that both Hans and George would be
> > cut short, so we were glad to find that the schedule was pushed back to
> > accommodate.
> >
> > There was also a letter sent to BSAC asking that George's invitation be
> > rescinded - I have a copy somewhere which I can dig out.  Basically, the
> > names included Brett Gilliam (surprise, surprise) and some equipment
> > importers (notibly OMS, I think) and one or two close friends of Rob
> > Palmer.
> >
> > >But then more and
> > >more people are coming to that realization. In case you do not know who
> > >Hass is, he started diving and filming prior to the existence of scuba
> > >as we know it, using ancient oxygen rebreathers and giant cameras. He
> > >was the German "Cousteau" if you will, and his message is the same as
> > >Cousteaus was - conservation of our resources. Some asshole friend of
> > >the idiots pulled the alarms hoping to disrupt me, as I was on after
> > >Hass, but all they did was piss of Hass, who let the rest of his tape
> > >run in German. BSAC knew the score, and gave me even more time for my
> > >message, which you all know. Trust me, I iced the idiots with some of my
> > >best and most convincing technique - ask anyone who was there.
> >
> > I was told afterwards that some of the signaturies of that letter were
> > there to cause trouble and were going to harass George on his deep air
> > stance and probe further comments made after Rob Palmers and Rob Parkers
> > death.  Basically, George dealt with it very well and the quote from Rob
> > Palmer......."in the sober light of day etc..." really put many people
> > thinking.  Apparently the hecklers decided that they couldn't really attack
> > him on what he said so did nothing.
> >
> > The BSAC did tape everything (as they do every year), but I'm not sure how
> > easy it would be to get it.  Basically, an excellent piece of work which
> > I'd like to see again if I can get a copy.
> >
> > John.
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