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Gentlemen - you can not teach anyone to dive deep on air no matter how long you try. Only an idiot would even think something like that. These people are not dying on anywhere near their beginning dives, they are dying deep on air. Exley dove for thirty years, Palmer for 30 years, how about the dive shop owner from South Carolina - he was no novice, how about Frank Martz - he taught MY instructor to cave dive, how about Bill McFadden, how about Nick Comoglio, how about Rob parker - do you think he needed more training? How about all of the rest? They did not go do thier first dive deep on air. How about this TDI stroke in the Vacleuse - do you thing they do beginning dives in a cave that is 900 feet deep? The difference is WHAT you teach: either you are a moron and a stroke, like the Three Stooges of TDI, and think deep air is a good thing,or you are not and you don't. You either understand this kind of diving, or you do not. You either do it like I do, or you do not do it and have never done it like the Stooges, and so you dive deep air, brag about it, promote it, pretend to teach it, and do so with a cavalier attitude towards the lives of the people who are dying due to it. Deep Air is what is killing people. Deep Air, and they are not doing it on their beginning dives, they are doing it after they get involved with idiots like the Stooges, and organizations like TDI that teach it - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. Read the Deeptek ( prior to it becoming ""DEEP AIR"" magazine) in which Gilliam is interviewed by Win Remley - a portrait of the problem - DEEPAIR. Read his deep air boasting and his deep air praises. Read it and know what to avoid : deep air and its proponents. See the pattern of self-deception and delusion that makes a person dive deep on air. If a fat slob like Gilliam, who I personally have seen in the water (talk about a hoover and a stroke in the water) can do it, then it is nothing but stupid. If it were any harder than falling off the boat and bouncing deep, Gilliam would be out of the running - take a look at the guy - deep air is no accomplishment. I hear this latest quarry death in Pennsylvania was the usual TDI suspects, and the usual DEEP AIR. The reason we have deep air is that we have idiots promoting it. Look at the accidents this year, last year, the year before - DEEP AIR. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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