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G- A slightly different angle on all of this that just might wake up a few out there trying to stay in the middle of the road on the deepair issue. The dive industry for years has tried very hard to keep government regulation out of the picture on diving instruction and practices, they have been successful in this because the number of incedents in recreational diving has been low compared to the number of trained divers (ie the statistics are good). The sheer numbers of deaths compared to the actual number of technical divers (ie the statistics are bad) is going to catch the attention of some politician or other activist trying to make their mark in this world. When this happens the industry won't have a leg to stand on this time. Regulation will move right on in and eliminate the strokes, but once their gone the damage will be done (once started deregulation almost never happens) and we will be left holding the ball. You think its hard working around strokes - try a few beurocrats who don't understand what we do or care. Here is the big catch, once you have technical diving being regulated it's not a big step for regulation to move in on recreational diving, this will be a real pain in the ass without real benefits. Everybody will suffer, not just the strokes in all the tech agencies pushing deepair. I know this is all speculation at this point but what else do you think will happen if this BS continues and the body count continues to go up. This would hit us all hard. Jeremy At 08:12 PM 10/1/97 -0400, G. Irvine wrote: >Gentlemen - you can not teach anyone to dive deep on air no matter how >long you try. Only an idiot would even think something like that. > > These people are not dying on anywhere near their beginning dives, they >are dying deep on air. Exley dove for thirty years, Palmer for 30 >years, how about the dive shop owner from South Carolina - he was no >novice, how about Frank Martz - he taught MY instructor to cave dive, >how about Bill McFadden, how about Nick Comoglio, how about Rob parker - >do you think he needed more training? How about all of the rest? They >did not go do thier first dive deep on air. How about this TDI stroke in >the Vacleuse - do you thing they do beginning dives in a cave that is >900 feet deep? > > The difference is WHAT you teach: either you are a moron and a stroke, >like the Three Stooges of TDI, and think deep air is a good thing,or you >are not and you don't. You either understand this kind of diving, or you >do not. You either do it like I do, or you do not do it and have never >done it like the Stooges, and so you dive deep air, brag about it, >promote it, pretend to teach it, and do so with a cavalier attitude >towards the lives of the people who are dying due to it. > > Deep Air is what is killing people. Deep Air, and they are not doing >it on their beginning dives, they are doing it after they get involved >with idiots like the Stooges, and organizations like TDI that teach it - >MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. > > Read the Deeptek ( prior to it becoming ""DEEP AIR"" magazine) in >which Gilliam is interviewed by Win Remley - a portrait of the problem - >DEEPAIR. Read his deep air boasting and his deep air praises. Read it >and know what to avoid : deep air and its proponents. See the pattern of >self-deception and delusion that makes a person dive deep on air. If a >fat slob like Gilliam, who I personally have seen in the water (talk >about a hoover and a stroke in the water) can do it, then it is nothing >but stupid. If it were any harder than falling off the boat and bouncing >deep, Gilliam would be out of the running - take a look at the guy - >deep air is no accomplishment. > > I hear this latest quarry death in Pennsylvania was the usual >TDI suspects, and the usual DEEP AIR. The reason we have deep air is >that we have idiots promoting it. Look at the accidents this year, last >year, the year before - DEEP AIR. >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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