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At 09:06 AM 1/9/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Subject:RE>>Question- Diving with A
>
>Jeoff
>
>>But if you live here in Fl, you have to deal with
>>molds, pollen, dust particales, ect.....
>
>Try the south of the UK - I am sure you are aware that dust
>particulates/pollen etc is not a FL thing only - I'd suggest air bourne
>pollution (solid particulate ie soot and "gas" CO/Co2/NO etc) levels etc in
>the industrial belt of Europe are a higher level of concern for us poor Euro's
>- Its intersting that I never have any problems on my vacations in Florida - I
>always put it down to that good clean air you guys got ;-)
>
>>I still will say "Don't Do IT!!" In the UK they can do what ever they want
>>with you the patient, but here in the states there are too many things that
>>a person is liable for.
>
>Please don't hide behind the "std" liability statement ......
>
>>I would never tell this person to dive knowing that
>>he had asthma.. If I did that, I just might as well hold a gun to this guys
>>head. If he continues to dive, one day it will hit him, and he will be just
>>another diver that died because of poor judgement. Also there is no such
>>thing as an Asthmatic that is fit for diving!!!
>
>Diving is a risk, every one of us knows that - every dive may be a DCI hit for
>any one of us for any reason - same with a O2 tox, what we do is control the
>risk it as "best" we can, If we wished to take that risk to zero there is only
>one way and that is to stay out of the water, we play with and attempt to
>control many other factors thats affect our diving safety - the bottom line is
>we just don't know or understand it all - what about smoking, alcohol, diet,
>stress, other drugs etc etc then theres the physical unknowns PFO's, Sports
>tissue damage, obesity etc etc
>
>>BTW, A mandatory Chest X-ray is not the way to tell if a person has asthma
>or not.
>
>didn't say it was, just commenting on the medical that is done over here
>
Graeme,
You have missed the whole point of the post between you and I. I
have feed you information dealing with asthma, and you are still instanting
that this person, or anyother person dive if they have asthma. Only someone
with no clue on what the medical aspects of asthma would say or even suggest
this.
You remind me of some of the asthma patients that I see every day
though the ER. They are suppose to take treatments to provent an attack
from comming on, such as change in weather, temp, pollen, molds or what ever
else will set them off. Some times we can cure the ones that do come in,
others, we end up putting them on a vent and they usually stay on one for a
day or two. I have to say though that the ones that do get on the vent, do
not want to be back on it.
Like I said be for, you do it your way over in the UK, and we will do it our
way here in the states. I am NOT hiding behind what you call the "STD"
liability statement, I am deailing in my relem of knowlege as a Respiratory
Tech. you sir only state what is working for you, and you have no clue as
to what you are talking about. The day that you can show me research that
has been done on Astmatics diving, and giving the green light fro them to do
it, then my way of thinking will change. You still have not told me or the
group how you came about to find out that you had astma, I have stated to
you what all it took to determan if you had asthma or not, and all you can
do is do the dance around the bushes!
Yes diving is a risk, as everyone well knows, And if a person is hit by DCI,
then this person was diving out of his knowlege base, was exprmiting, outa
shape, ect, ect, ect. I will not disagree with you in this... But if you
are giving wrong information to a person, that may cause them harm, they you
are guilty of not know a thing, and being a lamer!! Your statements about
being out of shape, smoking and alchol, diet, ect ect ect, well my
suggestion to you is to be a test subject so as to find out all these
answers. Granted yes we are all test subjects, but everything that the
"general" diver does has been proven, and there has been research done. Why
do you think that there are dive table out there for us to use. They are
proven to work for the averaged diver.
As far as the X-ray, we have decussed that allready, no need to kill the
dead horse allready..
All I can say to you Graeme, is this is getting old real quick like. I am
not saying that I am perfect, but I do know, have a good back ground with
diving, the Lungs, the heart, and Chambers. If diving with "Asthma" is good
for "YOU" then go for it. But don't give bad information to someone just
because it works for you. You know my feeling, and I know yours, no it is
time to move on to some thing else.
Jeoff
BTW, Marty had test done this past week, has been cleared to dive, but is
having 2nd thought about doing the deep stuff. Here is what he said "I
would like to experience the deeper dives, but as you said. I do not think
it is worth the risk."
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