Wayne, we help more people than you, your friends, your organization, or any 
other organization. Do not get on here and play good guy when you write to the 
NSS, our parent organization, of which we are an official project, and the ONLY 
cave-diving project, and tried to get them to revoke our project status because 
we are not nice to idiots. 

   We need that tax deduction, and maybe I will have to go to the State with 
your letter to the NSS as an example of what complete and utter hypocrits you 
and your friends are. We need you  like we need AIDS, and you can either shut  
up, or put up, but cut the crap. Save you whinning lies for somebody who will 
believe it.

    Under no circumstances wil we sit back and listen to you and your buddies 
try to sell the community worthless crap under the guise of "personal 
preference", or recommend mindless and dangerous practices without stepping 
right up with our counter. Don't like that - show me where I am wrong, instead 
of crying about "thick skins" and other nonsense. 

    Maybe we need a list for deviates and strokes, and you can make it 
invitation only. Get to the point - Sankey called you a fat slob. You are 
pissed. Too bad. You weenies call me everything in the books, and agressively 
try to cause me problems, but , it makes no differnce, all you need to know is 
one thing : " Look who has the end of the line". Explain that away.

         
    
On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, "Michael J. Kravit, AIA" <mkravit@ga*.ne*> wrote:
>Wayne:
>
>Thanks for your thoughts. I have the feeling though, that you are missing
>the point. Obviously you have alot of negative feelings to harbor.
>
>The point is, there are many folks in the wKPP that are dedicated, "NICE"
>people. JJ has of recent taken a lot of bashing from people that do not
>know him, have never met him and know absolutely nothing about him.  This
>I can not understand.  
>
>It is just too easy to jump on the band wagon just because GMIIII calls
>someone a "stroke" and your feelings are hurt.  All of a sudden it is the
>"WKPP" against the rest of the world. This is not fair to the WKPP nor the
>individuals that precipitate the act.
>
>To suggest that the WKPP "dismisses" anyone that is not in their group is
>utter nonsense.  The WKPP does not turn anyone willing to help out away.
>They do require that those interested work as part of the team for the
>betterment of the team. Individual agenda are not acceptable.  Sitting
>around on the shore, shooting the shit while others are supporting the gas
>divers, is not acceptable.  Social time is reserved for Lucy's, or
>George's pool.
>
>The group is diverse. The ages of the team members range from the 20's to
>40's. They span the gamut from students to professionals to scientists. 
>Perhaps instead of finding fault, you should take an open minded approach
>and listen to what they are saying.
>
>Please do not take my comments as negative. I am sincerely trying to
>portray my experience of recent with the team.  
>
>George is mad!  He is tired of seeing people kill themselves because of
>the stupidity taught by the various agencies and some of their
>instructors.  Once you have seen the WKPP gas divers do their thing you
>will say "of course" now I understand.  In fact, the first time I saw JJ
>dive I was amazed. He is unbelievable underwater. You would never believe
>he has a hundred pounds of equipment strapped on. He is streamlined and
>balanced, truly the best.
>
>Perhaps all the postings in the world will not help to put out the flames.
>The key is that the WKPP is doing something for the State of Florida that
>is beneficially important.  Please try to sort through the noise and find
>the message. Remember that the WKPP has procedures and policy. The type,
>complexity, and risks of their type of diving require strict adherence. No
>variations of personal preferences are allowed.
>-- 
>
>
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>----------
>> From: Wayne Marshall <soswayne@co*.co*>
>> To: Michael J. Kravit, AIA <mkravit@ga*.ne*>
>> Subject: Re: WKPP
>> Date: Wednesday, July 31, 1996 6:41 PM
>> 
>> Speaking as one who has been accused of a lot of "stuff" against the 
>> WKPP, I would like to state that the accusers, as is so often the case, 
>> do not have their facts right. However, my only criticism against the 
>> WKPP has always been the tendency to totally dismiss anyone that is not 
>> within the group as being worthless. That is simply a self defeating 
>> attitude that closes the WKPP off from any potential benefit that thye 
>> may derive from more amicable relationships. No one evens disputes their
>
>> claims to greatness. 
>>  
>> But the WKPP continues to foster a lot of animosity and ill will, not by
>
>> their accomplishments but by the aggressive actions of some of their 
>> members. This forum could be used to discuss many other topics than WKPP
>
>> issues. Topics that would benefit a lot of emerging young and 
>> inexpereinced divers as well as many old hands. But, unfortunately, 
>> people are so damn quick to flame that it takes a pretty thick skin to 
>> survive ones first post on here. 
>>  
>> I use Tom Mount's example of last week to prove my case. He even went so
>
>> far as to say he was posting it as an illustration of the problem, and 
>> still got flamed unmercifully! Who needs it! 
>>  
>> With so much experience and so much to contribute, when will the WKPP 
>> step up and assume the mantle of leadership they so desperately crave 
>> instead of choosing to stay in the gutters of flaming and personal 
>> attacks. 
>> 
>> WHEN?
>> 
>> Wayne Marshall
>
>

       George Irvine
       "Look who has the end of the line" 

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