Martha - make it simple: backup around the neck, breath the "octopus". Try to screw that one up - you can't. hose stuffing of any kind is only done by idiots - I am sure of this. Hose stuffing also means hose "retaining" or anything other than breathing the octo. Only a blithering idiot would do this, and even a brand new diver can find his reg when it is IN HIS MOUTH and his backup is AROUND HIS NECK. no amount of explaining will change this , Martha. We all have to do our first few dives to get started, right? How about we do it right from the start
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