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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:13:14 -0800
From: atikkan@ix*.ne*.co* (EE Atikkan )
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Up reels
To: techdiver@terra.net

Esat manipulated the electrons to say:
>If the line was deployed for wreck penetration, an the feces hits 
the 
>proverbial fan, you will have to come out, and re-deploy the reeel 
that 
>you cut rather fiddle with the extras.

NO, you tie off reel (leaving it behind) and get the FUCK out, then 
you use a safety reel (the name implies the use) to do what you need.

Regards 
Charles
bdcy36a@pr*.co*

1.  In my not so humble opinion, a well trained diver does not need to 
get the #**k out.  They may have too abort and exit, even make & 
emergency exit, but it is those that are forced into a 'get the F*&# 
situations' don't.  Control is always needed 

2.  In a scenario when an emergency occurs in during a penetration, the 
time differential of tieing off the reel vs tieing off and cutting it 
to bring out in infinitessimal.  A real life scenario where that minute 
differential is going to impact survivability when an egress of n ft is 
reauired is fictious at best.

3.  Thus a second reel is definitely superflous, provided that:
    
    a.  Length deployed in a 'overhead' environment, if used, is 
planned such that the remaining line on reel is always greater than 
that needed for ascent.  If one can plan air, time, what's a little 
planning for line.  If an emergency occurs, the line is tied and cut & 
the reel carried out, as one would, if they were taking in a jersey 
reel.  Most will disagree with taking that in.  One technique has been 
to pre tie the jersey reel at the point of ingress.  

    b.  THis all becomes relatively less necessary when the reel is 
being employed as a way back line.  Without a doubt a technique that a 
wreck diver worth their gear should preferably not use.  Divers 
venturing into wreck diving that is more than down the anchor line for 
a look-see should be wellversed in navigating and be able to return to 
the anchorline without crutches.  Emphasis of & reliance on the bread 
crumbs only reduces diving acumen.

    c.  Even if a stroke chooses that technique in an emergency they 
can cut and ascend after retieing (remember the back up needs to be 
brought into use and tied) or begin the ascent until deployed line 
(which is still attached to the wreck) snags.  AT which point the diver 
begins to let out the remnant on reel.  

    d.  This issue arose from a discussion of the bulk of the Jersey 
type upline & a means to reduce that bulk=drag.  Replacing it with a 
reel is an advantage and a second one still appears superflous.

    e.  As I clearly stated in my original post, one should choose the 
technique they are most comfortable with.  Obvioulsy some prefer bread 
crumbs.  I prefer navigational ability, wreck knowledge & streamlining.
That does not imply that one or the other knows all.  It does however 
imply tht we cn exchange ideas.  The guiding principle is exchange.  

    My unitless O.02 worth, which is dispensed with the benefit of 
n*100 NAWD of x*10 ft or deeper over y years.  (all parameters have 
values greater than 15)

    Thank you for the interesting exhange.

    Esat Atikkan

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