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What, another double standard by you Tom?? Why doesn't this surprise me =
anymore? So let me get this right, you can cc anything to your panel of =
puppet judges, but I can't cc it to a different panel for unbiased =
scrutiny? You started the whole cc thing remember, or is this where your =
selective memory thing comes in again.
Bruic
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Mount=20
To: Mike Bruic=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE
Mike
I cced a message to the BOA so you had the alternative to pursue it.
=20
You chose to place it on the cavers list for whatever reason
=20
Funny we are the only agency that will even discuss this with you and =
you elect to do this
So Mike end of discussions with you, This was sent in private but feel =
free to do whatever you wish with it
Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike Bruic=20
To: Barrie Heard ; Barb Lander ; Tom Mount=20
Cc: cavers@cavers.com ; Lamar Hires ; Bill Nadeau ; carl douglas ; =
Casco Antiguo ; David Thompson ; Dick Long ; Dick Rutkowski ; EGIL ; =
Erika Haley ; Fabio Amaral ; Fabio Ruberti ; Frans Vandermolen ; Garry =
Howland ; gary taylor ; Gil ; Gregg Stanton ; IANTD - BRAZIL ; IANTD =
Czech ; IANTD Germany ; IANTD Greece ; IANTD Ireland ; IANTD Japan =
Training ; IANTD Korea ; IANTD Micronesia ; IANTD Philippines Alex ; =
IANTD Portugal ; IANTD S.E. Asia ; IANTD Scandanvia ; IANTD South Africa =
; IANTD Sweden ; IANTD UK ; iantdfrance ; iantdhq ; Jill Heinerth ; Jim =
Mims ; Johan Candert ; John Thornton ; Kevin Denlay ; =
Kevingurrphoenix@cs*.co* ; Kim Cochrane ; Mitsu Tanaka ; Morgan Wells ; =
Nancy Romanica ; Paul Lijnen ; Paul Neilsen ; Reg Creighton ; Richard =
Bull ; Richard Nordstrom ; Richard Pyle ; Shelley orlowski ; Vebj=F8rn =
Karlsen ; Victor Williams ; William J Turbeville II=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE
Okay Tom, If IANTD chooses to hide things and hold Kangaroo Courts, =
so be it. I really didn't think I would get anywhere pursuing this one =
with you, and you proved me right. Tom just like you, I cc this letter =
also, it went to cavers, so any comments you wish to make you can make =
to them also.
Bruic=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Mount=20
To: Barb Lander ; Barrie Heard ; Mike Bruic=20
Cc: William J Turbeville II ; Victor Williams ; Vebj=F8rn Karlsen =
; Shelley orlowski ; Richard Pyle ; Richard Nordstrom ; Richard Bull ; =
Reg Creighton ; Paul Neilsen ; Paul Lijnen ; Nancy Romanica ; Morgan =
Wells ; Mitsu Tanaka ; Kim Cochrane ; Kevingurrphoenix@cs*.co* ; Kevin =
Denlay ; John Thornton ; Johan Candert ; Jim Mims ; Jill Heinerth ; =
iantdhq ; iantdfrance ; IANTD UK ; IANTD Sweden ; IANTD South Africa ; =
IANTD Scandanvia ; IANTD S.E. Asia ; IANTD Portugal ; IANTD Philippines =
Alex ; IANTD Micronesia ; IANTD Korea ; IANTD Japan Training ; IANTD =
Ireland ; IANTD Greece ; IANTD Germany ; IANTD Czech ; IANTD - BRAZIL ; =
Gregg Stanton ; Gil ; gary taylor ; Garry Howland ; Frans Vandermolen ; =
Fabio Ruberti ; Fabio Amaral ; Erika Haley ; EGIL ; Dick Rutkowski ; =
Dick Long ; David Thompson ; Casco Antiguo ; carl douglas ; Bill Nadeau =
; Lamar Hires=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE
Mike
One as I told you if you think the BOA will feelthis is worth and =
ethics charge compared to the other issues we have to deal with then I =
will give you all their names and you may pursue it.
I do not know of the past events where Rennaker has performed =
unethical actions that reflect on IANTD. Matter off act Bill has done =
little to effect IANTD one way or the other
I seem to get the blunt of your attention I guess because IANTD is =
the only agency that even reviewed the circumstances and I'm the only =
one who even discusses it with you. So I guess that makes us the bad guy =
to you. So be it.
Mike no one supports any negative behavior. I personally did give =
Bill a warning that if he had said such things it could not happen =
again, as I have already told you. I and Lamar and others on the IANTD =
bOA that I have talked to do not consider this to be a magnitude nor =
circumstance to warrant additional actions. We feel this is something =
you and Bill could and should ,as the N Fl cave community is rather =
small, work out among yourselves.
=20
Now Mike this is copied to the entire BOA so any comments you wish =
to make to them do so.
Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike Bruic=20
To: Tom Mount=20
Cc: Lamar Hires=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE
Tom, you wrote;
=20
<Now no one is accusing anyone of lying accept you when you =
accuse them>
=20
Tom, I think you are missing the whole point here, "I AM =
ACCUSING RENNAKER OF LYING", and I have caught him lying twice trying to =
save his ass on this one already. I thought I already proved this to =
you, and the third time will be when I find out who the so-called =
witnesses are.
=20
<The only reason anyone other than a couple of you know =
anything about this is because you made it a public knowledge>
Tom read the letter, Bill himself acknowledges telling other =
people these lies, so I guess I should just sit there and take it huh.
<Lamar did say he did not smell beer on your breath but that =
he also was not very close to you.>=20
I find that hard to believe since me and Lamar discussed in =
every detail where I looked, and where he should look. This even =
included drawing maps in the sand, but if this is what Lamar truly said, =
then I will accept it.=20
<I have not told Bill who supported you just that you had =
someone and he has not demanded the names>
Tom, you know that Bill does not need the name, I CC'ed =
everything to him. Read my letter again, I do not have nothing to hide
< why should I give these names to you..............you are =
not defending yourself from anyone or anything.>
Tom, stop and think for a minute, why do you think I filed =
this complaint??? Rennaker tells people that I show up to cave =
recoveries drunk and screaming at him. That I I'm so drunk that I didn't =
even realize that I'm not wearing a drysuit when I get into the water. =
That he himself could have found the girl, but instead the sheriffs =
choose the drunk and stopped him from getting into the water. So, =
correct me if I'm wrong, but I take what you are saying here is that if =
someone is being prosecuted for lying the defense (Rennaker) can call =
any witness he wants to say anything they want and the prosecution (that =
is me) is not entitled to here this??? This sounds like a reverse angle =
to a Kangaroo Court to me.
<the two of you should set down and work it out>
I tried to Tom, I even called "you" and Lamar on this one. =
Sadly, I think the only thing Rennaker would understand is a ass =
kicking, and I doubt that would do any good. Yes, I think he is that =
stupid.
<I do not think it is reveleant whether you had beer on your =
breath or not if you were not diving.>
=20
Ah Tom, wake up, I was diving.
<this is not a serious issue nor one that has really affected =
you professionally or personally in any significant way.>
Great, then you and Lamar won't take any offense at all when I =
start promulgating bullshit and lies about the two of you then will you. =
As a matter of fact, what you have demonstrated to me is that I can do =
it over and over again. I came to the you guys for resolution, not =
cover-up. You both know that it is not the first time Rennaker has done =
this kind of stuff before, and the way you choose to handle it in the =
past tells me it will undoubtedly not be the last. Rennaker has already =
disgraced and caused all the organizations he represents allot bad PR, =
and I have only started where others have left off.
=20
Bruic =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Mount=20
To: Mike Bruic=20
Cc: Lamar Hires=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE
Mike
I have been teaching thus not even thinking about this or =
reading emails
Now no one is accusing anyone of lying accept you when you =
accuse them
I have not told Bill who supported you just that you had =
someone and he has not demanded the names
Thus why should I give these names to you and put then in a =
line of fire from you, they do not need to get a lot of heated emails =
because thy have made a statement. No one has made a complaint against =
you so you are not defending yourself from anyone or anything. Bill =
would have had more of a right to know as he was accussed by you, but he =
does not. If a action had been taken yes then he would have known the =
people who started the action.=20
I had a long talk to Lamar today on this issue, he does not =
think this situation would result in anything accept a BOA action =
stating the two of you should set down and work it out as it is more =
personal than ethical. The only reason anyone other than a couple of you =
know anything about this is because you made it a public knowledge
Lamar did say he did not smell beer on your breath but that =
he also was not very close to you. He does not look at this as a serious =
event and does not (like me) understand why it is being blown so far out =
of proportion. Have you read some of your own published post.=20
I do not think it is reveleant whether you had beer on your =
breath or not if you were not diving. nor do I think anyone else would. =
And I definitely believe you were not drunk. I see no need to contact =
the sheriff deputies as no formal action is going to be pursued .=20
We take a lot of actions on a lot of issues this is not a =
serious issue nor one that has really affected you professionally or =
personally in any significant way. If you want to push it then contact =
Lamar who is quite active on the BOA and I think he will state what I =
have just stated. Lamar is CCed on this post
If you still are not satisified I will give you the entire BOA =
contacts and you can get everyones opnion but I think it will be about =
the same. Especially as some of your actions most likely would be =
considered as well . You know the old kittle and pot return
Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike Bruic=20
To: Tom Mount=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: NAMES PLEASE
Tom, Monday has come and gone and you still have not told me =
the names of Rennaker's witnesses. They have had all weekend to =
collaborate and get their lies straight, and just like Rennaker has a =
right to see my witnesses, I do to. Or does he really have any?=20
Bruic
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<DIV>What, another double standard by you Tom?? Why doesn't this =
surprise me=20
anymore? So let me get this right, you can cc anything to your panel of =
puppet=20
judges, but I can't cc it to a different panel for =
unbiased scrutiny? You=20
started the whole cc thing remember, or is this where your selective =
memory=20
thing comes in again.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruic</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*"=20
title=3DTOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*" =
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike=20
Bruic</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 12,
2000 =
11:24=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NAMES
PLEASE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I cced a message to the BOA so you had the =
alternative to=20
pursue it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You chose to place it on the cavers list for =
whatever=20
reason</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Funny we are the only agency that will even =
discuss this=20
with you and you elect to do this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So Mike end of discussions with you, This was sent =
in=20
private but feel free to do whatever you wish with it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></FONT>Respectfully yours,<BR>Tom Mount<BR>CEO IANTD World =
HQ<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.iantd.com">http://www.iantd.com</A><BR></DIV></DI
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:bheard@dc*.ne*.au*"=20
title=3Dbheard@dc*.ne*.au*>Barrie Heard</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:blander@un*.co*"=20
title=3Dblander@un*.co*>Barb Lander</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*"=20
title=3DTOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com"=20
title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>cavers@cavers.com</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:lamar@di*.co*" =
title=3Dlamar@di*.co*>Lamar Hires</A>=20
; <A href=3D"mailto:tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*"=20
title=3Dtekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>Bill Nadeau</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:carl.douglas@sl*.se*"=20
title=3Dcarl.douglas@sl*.se*>carl douglas</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:buceo@ca*.co*" =
title=3Dbuceo@ca*.co*>Casco=20
Antiguo</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:DThomp@te*.es*"=20
title=3DDThomp@te*.es*>David Thompson</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:dicklong@du*.co*" =
title=3Ddicklong@du*.co*>Dick=20
Long</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:dick@hy*.co*"=20
title=3Ddick@hy*.co*>Dick Rutkowski</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:egil@ad*.pp*.fi*" title=3Degil@ad*.pp*.fi*>EGIL</A> =
; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:haley@ca*.ky*" title=3Dhaley@ca*.ky*>Erika =
Haley</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:fabio_amaral@ya*.co*" =
title=3Dfabio_amaral@ya*.co*>Fabio=20
Amaral</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:fabio.ruberti@ti*.it*"=20
title=3Dfabio.ruberti@ti*.it*>Fabio Ruberti</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:75204.1243@co*.co*"=20
title=3D75204.1243@co*.co*>Frans Vandermolen</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*" =
title=3Dghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>Garry=20
Howland</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:diveonmix@ao*.co*"=20
title=3Ddiveonmix@ao*.co*>gary taylor</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:gildiver@di*.co*.br*"=20
title=3Dgildiver@di*.co*.br*>Gil</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*" =
title=3Dgstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>Gregg=20
Stanton</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:iantdbrazil@uo*.co*.br*"=20
title=3Diantdbrazil@uo*.co*.br*>IANTD - BRAZIL</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:kony@un*.cz*" title=3Dkony@un*.cz*>IANTD =
Czech</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:iantd@su*.de*" =
title=3Diantd@su*.de*>IANTD=20
Germany</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:iantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*"=20
title=3Diantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*>IANTD Greece</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:IANTDIRL@ao*.co*" title=3DIANTDIRL@ao*.co*>IANTD =
Ireland</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:iantdjp@di*.co*" =
title=3Diantdjp@di*.co*>IANTD Japan=20
Training</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:aad@sa*.co*" =
title=3Daad@sa*.co*>IANTD=20
Korea</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:psdivers@ku*.gu*.ne*"=20
title=3Dpsdivers@ku*.gu*.ne*>IANTD Micronesia</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techsec@i-*.co*.ph*" =
title=3Dtechsec@i-*.co*.ph*>IANTD=20
Philippines Alex</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:po12210@pt*.ib*.co*"=20
title=3Dpo12210@pt*.ib*.co*>IANTD Portugal</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:khooss@si*.co*.sg*" =
title=3Dkhooss@si*.co*.sg*>IANTD S.E.=20
Asia</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:egil@av*.fi*"=20
title=3Degil@av*.fi*>IANTD Scandanvia</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:iantdsa@ia*.co*" =
title=3Diantdsa@ia*.co*>IANTD South=20
Africa</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:info@ia*.co*"=20
title=3Dinfo@ia*.co*>IANTD Sweden</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:100044.3401@co*.co*"=20
title=3D100044.3401@co*.co*>IANTD UK</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:iantdfrance@wa*.fr*"=20
title=3Diantdfrance@wa*.fr*>iantdfrance</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*" =
title=3Diantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*>iantdhq</A>=20
; <A href=3D"mailto:heinerth@gt*.ne*" title=3Dheinerth@gt*.ne*>Jill =
Heinerth</A>=20
; <A href=3D"mailto:divetek@oc*.co*" =
title=3Ddivetek@oc*.co*>Jim=20
Mims</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:johan@st*.se*"=20
title=3Djohan@st*.se*>Johan Candert</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:john@sc*.co*" title=3Djohn@sc*.co*>John =
Thornton</A>=20
; <A href=3D"mailto:altdive@ia*.co*.au*" =
title=3Daltdive@ia*.co*.au*>Kevin=20
Denlay</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:Kevingurrphoenix@cs*.co*"=20
title=3DKevingurrphoenix@cs*.co*>Kevingurrphoenix@cs.com</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Cochrane@ac*.co*" =
title=3DCochrane@ac*.co*>Kim=20
Cochrane</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:glimmer@mb*.kc*.ne*.jp*"=20
title=3Dglimmer@mb*.kc*.ne*.jp*>Mitsu Tanaka</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:morgan@vi*.ed*" title=3Dmorgan@vi*.ed*>Morgan =
Wells</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:divetech@ca*.ky*" title=3Ddivetech@ca*.ky*>Nancy =
Romanica</A> ;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:paull@vi*.uu*.be*" =
title=3Dpaull@vi*.uu*.be*>Paul=20
Lijnen</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:mandarin@ga*.ne*.hk*"=20
title=3Dmandarin@ga*.ne*.hk*>Paul Neilsen</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:regc@ca*.ky*" title=3Dregc@ca*.ky*>Reg =
Creighton</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:info@oc*.co*.uk*" =
title=3Dinfo@oc*.co*.uk*>Richard=20
Bull</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:74663.1663@co*.co*"=20
title=3D74663.1663@co*.co*>Richard Nordstrom</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:deepreef@bi*.or*"=20
title=3Ddeepreef@bi*.or*>Richard Pyle</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:orlowski@at*.ne*" =
title=3Dorlowski@at*.ne*>Shelley=20
orlowski</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:karlsenv@on*.no*"=20
title=3Dkarlsenv@on*.no*>Vebj=F8rn Karlsen</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:diving@sp*.co*" =
title=3Ddiving@sp*.co*>Victor=20
Williams</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:bturbo@ga*.ne*"=20
title=3Dbturbo@ga*.ne*>William J Turbeville II</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 12, =
2000 8:34=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NAMES =
PLEASE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Okay Tom, If IANTD chooses to hide things and hold =
Kangaroo=20
Courts, so be it. I really didn't think I would get anywhere =
pursuing this=20
one with you, and you proved me right. Tom just like you, I cc this =
letter=20
also, it went to cavers, so any comments you wish to make you can =
make to=20
them also.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bruic </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*"=20
title=3DTOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:blander@un*.co*"=20
title=3Dblander@un*.co*>Barb Lander</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bheard@dc*.ne*.au*" =
title=3Dbheard@dc*.ne*.au*>Barrie Heard</A>=20
; <A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:bturbo@ga*.ne*"=20
title=3Dbturbo@ga*.ne*>William J Turbeville II</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:diving@sp*.co*"=20
title=3Ddiving@sp*.co*>Victor Williams</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:karlsenv@on*.no*" =
title=3Dkarlsenv@on*.no*>Vebj=F8rn=20
Karlsen</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:orlowski@at*.ne*"=20
title=3Dorlowski@at*.ne*>Shelley orlowski</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:deepreef@bi*.or*"=20
title=3Ddeepreef@bi*.or*>Richard Pyle</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:74663.1663@co*.co*"=20
title=3D74663.1663@co*.co*>Richard Nordstrom</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:info@oc*.co*.uk*" =
title=3Dinfo@oc*.co*.uk*>Richard=20
Bull</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:regc@ca*.ky*" =
title=3Dregc@ca*.ky*>Reg=20
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Czech</A> ; <A=20
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title=3Dgstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>Gregg Stanton</A> ; <A=20
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title=3Dgildiver@di*.co*.br*>Gil</A> ; <A=20
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title=3Degil@ad*.pp*.fi*>EGIL</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:dick@hy*.co*" =
title=3Ddick@hy*.co*>Dick=20
Rutkowski</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:dicklong@du*.co*"=20
title=3Ddicklong@du*.co*>Dick Long</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:DThomp@te*.es*" =
title=3DDThomp@te*.es*>David=20
Thompson</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:buceo@ca*.co*"=20
title=3Dbuceo@ca*.co*>Casco Antiguo</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:carl.douglas@sl*.se*"=20
title=3Dcarl.douglas@sl*.se*>carl douglas</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*" =
title=3Dtekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>Bill=20
Nadeau</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:lamar@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dlamar@di*.co*>Lamar Hires</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April
12, =
2000 9:23=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NAMES =
PLEASE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>One as I told you if you think the BOA will =
feelthis is=20
worth and ethics charge compared to the other issues we have to =
deal with=20
then I will give you all their names and you may pursue =
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I do not know of the past events where =
Rennaker has=20
performed unethical actions that reflect on IANTD. Matter off act =
Bill has=20
done little to effect IANTD one way or the other</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I seem to get the blunt of your attention I =
guess=20
because IANTD is the only agency that even reviewed the =
circumstances and=20
I'm the only one who even discusses it with you. So I guess that =
makes us=20
the bad guy to you. So be it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mike no one supports any negative behavior. I =
personally=20
did give Bill a warning that if he had said such things it could =
not=20
happen again, as I have already told you. I and Lamar and =
others on=20
the IANTD bOA that I have talked to do not consider this to be a =
magnitude=20
nor circumstance to warrant additional actions. We feel this is =
something=20
you and Bill could and should ,as the N Fl cave community is =
rather small,=20
work out among yourselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Now Mike this is copied to the entire =
BOA so any=20
comments you wish to make to them do so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Respectfully yours,<BR>Tom Mount<BR>CEO IANTD World =
HQ<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.iantd.com">http://www.iantd.com</A><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*"=20
title=3DTOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:lamar@di*.co*" =
title=3Dlamar@di*.co*>Lamar=20
Hires</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April
11, =
2000 6:44=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NAMES =
PLEASE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Tom, you=20
wrote;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3><FONT =
size=3D2><<FONT=20
size=3D2>Now no one is accusing anyone of lying accept you =
when you=20
accuse them></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Tom, I think =
you are=20
missing the whole point here, "I AM ACCUSING RENNAKER OF =
LYING", and I=20
have caught him lying twice trying to save his ass on =
this one=20
already. I thought I already proved this to you, and the third =
time=20
will be when I find out who the so-called witnesses =
are.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D2><The only =
reason anyone=20
other than a couple of you know anything about this is because =
you=20
made it a public knowledge></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Tom read the =
letter, Bill=20
himself acknowledges telling other people these lies, so =
I guess=20
I should just sit there and take it huh.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3><FONT =
size=3D2><Lamar did=20
say he did not smell beer on your breath but that he =
also was=20
not very close to you.> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>I find that =
hard to believe=20
since me and Lamar discussed in every detail where I looked, =
and=20
where he should look. This even included drawing maps in =
the=20
sand, but if this is what Lamar truly said, then I will accept =
it.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D2><I have not =
told Bill=20
who supported you just that you had someone and he has not =
demanded=20
the names></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Tom, you know =
that Bill=20
does not need the name, I CC'ed everything to him. Read my =
letter=20
again, I do not have nothing to hide</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D2>< why =
should I give=20
these names to you..............you are not defending yourself =
from=20
anyone or anything.></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Tom, stop and =
think for a=20
minute, why do you think I filed this complaint??? Rennaker =
tells=20
people that I show up to cave recoveries drunk and screaming =
at him.=20
That I I'm so drunk that I didn't even realize that I'm =
not=20
wearing a drysuit when I get into the water. That he =
himself=20
could have found the girl, but instead the sheriffs =
choose the=20
drunk and stopped him from getting into the water. So, =
correct me=20
if I'm wrong, but I take what you are saying here is =
that if=20
someone is being prosecuted for lying the defense (Rennaker) =
can call=20
any witness he wants to say anything they want and the=20
prosecution (that is me) is not entitled to here this??? This =
sounds=20
like a reverse angle to a Kangaroo Court to me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><the two of you should set =
down and=20
work it out></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>I tried to Tom, =
I even=20
called "you" and Lamar on this one. Sadly, I think the only =
thing=20
Rennaker would understand is a ass kicking, and I doubt that =
would do=20
any good. Yes, I think he is that stupid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D2><I do not =
think it is=20
reveleant whether you had beer on your breath or not if you =
were not=20
diving.></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Ah Tom, =
wake up, I was=20
diving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> <this is not a =
serious issue=20
nor one that has really affected you professionally or =
personally in=20
any significant way.></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Great, then you =
and Lamar=20
won't take any offense at all when I start promulgating =
bullshit and=20
lies about the two of you then will you. As a matter of fact, =
what you=20
have demonstrated to me is that I can do it over and over =
again. I=20
came to the you guys for resolution, not cover-up. You =
both know=20
that it is not the first time Rennaker has done this kind of =
stuff=20
before, and the way you choose to handle it in the past =
tells me=20
it will undoubtedly not be the last. Rennaker has already =
disgraced=20
and caused all the organizations he represents allot bad PR, =
and I=20
have only started where others have left off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D3>Bruic =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*"=20
title=3DTOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:lamar@di*.co*" =
title=3Dlamar@di*.co*>Lamar=20
Hires</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April =
11, 2000=20
6:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NAMES =
PLEASE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have been teaching thus not even =
thinking about=20
this or reading emails</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Now no one is accusing anyone of lying =
accept you=20
when you accuse them</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have not told Bill who supported you =
just that you=20
had someone and he has not demanded the names</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thus why should I give these names to you =
and put=20
then in a line of fire from you, they do not need to get a lot =
of=20
heated emails because thy have made a statement. No one has =
made a=20
complaint against you so you are not defending yourself from =
anyone or=20
anything. Bill would have had more of a right to know as he =
was=20
accussed by you, but he does not. If a action had been taken =
yes then=20
he would have known the people who started the action.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I had a long talk to Lamar today on this =
issue, he=20
does not think this situation would result in anything accept =
a BOA=20
action stating the two of you should set down and work it out =
as it is=20
more personal than ethical. The only reason anyone other than =
a couple=20
of you know anything about this is because you made it a =
public=20
knowledge</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lamar did say he did not smell beer on =
your=20
breath but that he also was not very close to you. He =
does not=20
look at this as a serious event and does not (like me) =
understand why=20
it is being blown so far out of proportion. Have you read some =
of your=20
own published post. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I do not think it is reveleant whether you =
had beer=20
on your breath or not if you were not diving. nor do I think =
anyone=20
else would. And I definitely believe you were not drunk. I see =
no need=20
to contact the sheriff deputies as no formal action is going =
to be=20
pursued . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We take a lot of actions on a lot of =
issues this is=20
not a serious issue nor one that has really affected you=20
professionally or personally in any significant way. If =
you want=20
to push it then contact Lamar who is quite active on the BOA =
and I=20
think he will state what I have just stated. Lamar is CCed on =
this=20
post</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you still are not satisified I will =
give you the=20
entire BOA contacts and you can get everyones opnion but I =
think it=20
will be about the same. Especially as some of your actions =
most likely=20
would be considered as well . You know the old kittle and pot=20
return</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Respectfully yours,<BR>Tom Mount<BR>CEO IANTD
World =
HQ<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.iantd.com">http://www.iantd.com</A><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*"=20
title=3DTOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
April =
11, 2000=20
3:00 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> NAMES =
PLEASE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Tom, Monday has come and gone and you still have not =
told me=20
the names of Rennaker's witnesses. They have had all weekend =
to=20
collaborate and get their lies straight, and just like =
Rennaker has=20
a right to see my witnesses, I do to. Or does he really have =
any?=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=
<DIV>Bruic</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCK
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