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Mike, I think what you have here is a good 'ole boy's network going=20 on. I've seen the same shit happen here in washington. An instructor=20 making clear violations, being called on it, and getting off with a slap on= =20 the wrist, only to repeat the activity again and again. Nothing new. "No one supports any negative behavior" my ass. The more I think about it, the more I appreciate GUE. Not in and of=20 itself, but the people that are attracted to the organization, like you=20 were talking about earlier. At 08:34 AM 4/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Okay Tom, If IANTD chooses to hide things and hold Kangaroo Courts, so be= =20 >it. I really didn't think I would get anywhere pursuing this one with you,= =20 >and you proved me right. Tom just like you, I cc this letter also, it went= =20 >to cavers, so any comments you wish to make you can make to them also. > >Bruic > > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: <mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount >>To: <mailto:blander@un*.co*>Barb Lander ;=20 >><mailto:bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>Barrie Heard ;=20 >><mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic >>Cc: <mailto:bturbo@ga*.ne*>William J Turbeville II ;=20 >><mailto:diving@sp*.co*>Victor Williams ;=20 >><mailto:karlsenv@on*.no*>Vebj=F8rn Karlsen ;=20 >><mailto:orlowski@at*.ne*>Shelley orlowski ;=20 >><mailto:deepreef@bi*.or*>Richard Pyle ;=20 >><mailto:74663.1663@co*.co*>Richard Nordstrom ;=20 >><mailto:info@oc*.co*.uk*>Richard Bull ; <mailto:regc@ca*.ky*>Reg=20 >>Creighton ; <mailto:mandarin@ga*.ne*.hk*>Paul Neilsen ;=20 >><mailto:paull@vi*.uu*.be*>Paul Lijnen ;=20 >><mailto:divetech@ca*.ky*>Nancy Romanica ; <mailto:morgan@vi*.ed*>Morgan= =20 >>Wells ; <mailto:glimmer@mb*.kc*.ne*.jp*>Mitsu Tanaka ;=20 >><mailto:Cochrane@ac*.co*>Kim Cochrane ;=20 >><mailto:Kevingurrphoenix@cs*.co*>Kevingurrphoenix@cs.com ;=20 >><mailto:altdive@ia*.co*.au*>Kevin Denlay ;=20 >><mailto:john@sc*.co*>John Thornton ;=20 >><mailto:johan@st*.se*>Johan Candert ;=20 >><mailto:divetek@oc*.co*>Jim Mims ; <mailto:heinerth@gt*.ne*>Jill= =20 >>Heinerth ; <mailto:iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*>iantdhq ;=20 >><mailto:iantdfrance@wa*.fr*>iantdfrance ;=20 >><mailto:100044.3401@co*.co*>IANTD UK ;=20 >><mailto:info@ia*.co*>IANTD Sweden ;=20 >><mailto:iantdsa@ia*.co*>IANTD South Africa ;=20 >><mailto:egil@av*.fi*>IANTD Scandanvia ;=20 >><mailto:khooss@si*.co*.sg*>IANTD S.E. Asia ;=20 >><mailto:po12210@pt*.ib*.co*>IANTD Portugal ;=20 >><mailto:techsec@i-*.co*.ph*>IANTD Philippines Alex ;=20 >><mailto:psdivers@ku*.gu*.ne*>IANTD Micronesia ;=20 >><mailto:aad@sa*.co*>IANTD Korea ; <mailto:iantdjp@di*.co*>IANTD=20 >>Japan Training ; <mailto:IANTDIRL@ao*.co*>IANTD Ireland ;=20 >><mailto:iantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*>IANTD Greece ;=20 >><mailto:iantd@su*.de*>IANTD Germany ; <mailto:kony@un*.cz*>IANTD= =20 >>Czech ; <mailto:iantdbrazil@uo*.co*.br*>IANTD - BRAZIL ;=20 >><mailto:gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>Gregg Stanton ;=20 >><mailto:gildiver@di*.co*.br*>Gil ; <mailto:diveonmix@ao*.co*>gary=20 >>taylor ; <mailto:ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>Garry Howland ;=20 >><mailto:75204.1243@co*.co*>Frans Vandermolen ;=20 >><mailto:fabio.ruberti@ti*.it*>Fabio Ruberti ;=20 >><mailto:fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>Fabio Amaral ;=20 >><mailto:haley@ca*.ky*>Erika Haley ; <mailto:egil@ad*.pp*.fi*>EGIL ;=20 >><mailto:dick@hy*.co*>Dick Rutkowski ;=20 >><mailto:dicklong@du*.co*>Dick Long ;=20 >><mailto:DThomp@te*.es*>David Thompson ;=20 >><mailto:buceo@ca*.co*>Casco Antiguo ;=20 >><mailto:carl.douglas@sl*.se*>carl douglas ;=20 >><mailto:tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>Bill Nadeau ;=20 >><mailto:lamar@di*.co*>Lamar Hires >>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:23 AM >>Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE >> >>Mike >> >>One as I told you if you think the BOA will feelthis is worth and ethics= =20 >>charge compared to the other issues we have to deal with then I will give= =20 >>you all their names and you may pursue it. >> >>I do not know of the past events where Rennaker has performed unethical=20 >>actions that reflect on IANTD. Matter off act Bill has done little to=20 >>effect IANTD one way or the other >> >>I seem to get the blunt of your attention I guess because IANTD is the=20 >>only agency that even reviewed the circumstances and I'm the only one who= =20 >>even discusses it with you. So I guess that makes us the bad guy to you.= =20 >>So be it. >> >> >>Mike no one supports any negative behavior. I personally did give Bill a= =20 >>warning that if he had said such things it could not happen again, as I=20 >>have already told you. I and Lamar and others on the IANTD bOA that I=20 >>have talked to do not consider this to be a magnitude nor circumstance to= =20 >>warrant additional actions. We feel this is something you and Bill could= =20 >>and should ,as the N Fl cave community is rather small, work out among=20 >>yourselves. >> >>Now Mike this is copied to the entire BOA so any comments you wish to=20 >>make to them do so. >> >> >>Respectfully yours, >>Tom Mount >>CEO IANTD World HQ >><http://www.iantd.com>http://www.iantd.com >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: <mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic >>>To: <mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount >>>Cc: <mailto:lamar@di*.co*>Lamar Hires >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 6:44 PM >>>Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE >>> >>>>Tom, you wrote; >>>> >>>><Now no one is accusing anyone of lying accept you when you accuse them> >>>> >>>>Tom, I think you are missing the whole point here, "I AM ACCUSING=20 >>>>RENNAKER OF LYING", and I have caught him lying twice trying to save=20 >>>>his ass on this one already. I thought I already proved this to you,=20 >>>>and the third time will be when I find out who the so-called witnesses= are. >>>> >>>><The only reason anyone other than a couple of you know anything about= =20 >>>>this is because you made it a public knowledge> >>>> >>>>Tom read the letter, Bill himself acknowledges telling other people=20 >>>>these lies, so I guess I should just sit there and take it huh. >>>> >>>><Lamar did say he did not smell beer on your breath but that he also=20 >>>>was not very close to you.> >>>> >>>>I find that hard to believe since me and Lamar discussed in every=20 >>>>detail where I looked, and where he should look. This even included=20 >>>>drawing maps in the sand, but if this is what Lamar truly said, then I= =20 >>>>will accept it. >>>> >>>><I have not told Bill who supported you just that you had someone and=20 >>>>he has not demanded the names> >>>> >>>>Tom, you know that Bill does not need the name, I CC'ed everything to=20 >>>>him. Read my letter again, I do not have nothing to hide >>>> >>>>< why should I give these names to you..............you are not=20 >>>>defending yourself from anyone or anything.> >>>> >>>>Tom, stop and think for a minute, why do you think I filed this=20 >>>>complaint??? Rennaker tells people that I show up to cave recoveries=20 >>>>drunk and screaming at him. That I I'm so drunk that I didn't even=20 >>>>realize that I'm not wearing a drysuit when I get into the water. That= =20 >>>>he himself could have found the girl, but instead the sheriffs choose=20 >>>>the drunk and stopped him from getting into the water. So, correct me=20 >>>>if I'm wrong, but I take what you are saying here is that if someone is= =20 >>>>being prosecuted for lying the defense (Rennaker) can call any witness= =20 >>>>he wants to say anything they want and the prosecution (that is me) is= =20 >>>>not entitled to here this??? This sounds like a reverse angle to a=20 >>>>Kangaroo Court to me. >>>> >>>><the two of you should set down and work it out> >>>> >>>>I tried to Tom, I even called "you" and Lamar on this one. Sadly, I=20 >>>>think the only thing Rennaker would understand is a ass kicking, and I= =20 >>>>doubt that would do any good. Yes, I think he is that stupid. >>>> >>>><I do not think it is reveleant whether you had beer on your breath or= =20 >>>>not if you were not diving.> >>>> >>>>Ah Tom, wake up, I was diving. >>>> >>>> <this is not a serious issue nor one that has really affected you=20 >>>> professionally or personally in any significant way.> >>>> >>>>Great, then you and Lamar won't take any offense at all when I start=20 >>>>promulgating bullshit and lies about the two of you then will you. As a= =20 >>>>matter of fact, what you have demonstrated to me is that I can do it=20 >>>>over and over again. I came to the you guys for resolution, not=20 >>>>cover-up. You both know that it is not the first time Rennaker has done= =20 >>>>this kind of stuff before, and the way you choose to handle it in the=20 >>>>past tells me it will undoubtedly not be the last. Rennaker has already= =20 >>>>disgraced and caused all the organizations he represents allot bad PR,= =20 >>>>and I have only started where others have left off. >>>> >>>>Bruic >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: <mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount >>>>To: <mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic >>>>Cc: <mailto:lamar@di*.co*>Lamar Hires >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 6:07 PM >>>>Subject: Re: NAMES PLEASE >>>> >>>>Mike >>>>I have been teaching thus not even thinking about this or reading emails >>>> >>>>Now no one is accusing anyone of lying accept you when you accuse them >>>> >>>>I have not told Bill who supported you just that you had someone and he= =20 >>>>has not demanded the names >>>> >>>>Thus why should I give these names to you and put then in a line of=20 >>>>fire from you, they do not need to get a lot of heated emails because=20 >>>>thy have made a statement. No one has made a complaint against you so=20 >>>>you are not defending yourself from anyone or anything. Bill would have= =20 >>>>had more of a right to know as he was accussed by you, but he does not.= =20 >>>>If a action had been taken yes then he would have known the people who= =20 >>>>started the action. >>>> >>>>I had a long talk to Lamar today on this issue, he does not think this= =20 >>>>situation would result in anything accept a BOA action stating the two= =20 >>>>of you should set down and work it out as it is more personal than=20 >>>>ethical. The only reason anyone other than a couple of you know=20 >>>>anything about this is because you made it a public knowledge >>>> >>>>Lamar did say he did not smell beer on your breath but that he also=20 >>>>was not very close to you. He does not look at this as a serious event= =20 >>>>and does not (like me) understand why it is being blown so far out of=20 >>>>proportion. Have you read some of your own published post. >>>> >>>>I do not think it is reveleant whether you had beer on your breath or=20 >>>>not if you were not diving. nor do I think anyone else would. And I=20 >>>>definitely believe you were not drunk. I see no need to contact the=20 >>>>sheriff deputies as no formal action is going to be pursued . >>>> >>>>We take a lot of actions on a lot of issues this is not a serious issue= =20 >>>>nor one that has really affected you professionally or personally in=20 >>>>any significant way. If you want to push it then contact Lamar who is= =20 >>>>quite active on the BOA and I think he will state what I have just=20 >>>>stated. Lamar is CCed on this post >>>> >>>>If you still are not satisified I will give you the entire BOA contacts= =20 >>>>and you can get everyones opnion but I think it will be about the same.= =20 >>>>Especially as some of your actions most likely would be considered as=20 >>>>well . You know the old kittle and pot return >>>> >>>>Respectfully yours, >>>>Tom Mount >>>>CEO IANTD World HQ >>>><http://www.iantd.com>http://www.iantd.com >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: <mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic >>>>>To: <mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>Tom Mount >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:00 PM >>>>>Subject: NAMES PLEASE >>>>> >>>>>Tom, Monday has come and gone and you still have not told me the names= =20 >>>>>of Rennaker's witnesses. They have had all weekend to collaborate and= =20 >>>>>get their lies straight, and just like Rennaker has a right to see my= =20 >>>>>witnesses, I do to. Or does he really have any? >>>>> >>>>>Bruic ---------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate. (plurality should not be posited without necessity - Occam's razor) ----------------------------------
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