My opinion:they have several problems.... I don't like to see divers using a
BC which claims to have 60 or 80 pounds, or 100 pounds of lift, when they
need only 20 or 30 pounds of lift----most of the bungee brands claim huge
lift capacities, and if they did achieve these lift ratings, they would be
very dangerous for many divers, since they are sold to people who actually
need much less lift, and would face potentially catastrophic results should
they experience a run away inflation.  Another major problem involves a
diver who does match rated lift with the negative weight of their gear---too
many times in the past, divers have been compromised in dangerous situations
because the bungees prevented the rated lift from occurring--when it was
needed---causing the diver problems in getting off the bottom and ascending.
This can be from having bungees too tight, or even set to mfg guidelines,
but with a slight inflator valve leak, the bungees can prevent the wings
from inflating.
In another scenario, a  diver may need to inflate the BC manually, due to a
regulator or gas failure, and the added resistance of the bungees makes this
procedure more difficult, and at times, dangerous.

While few divers will argue that streamlining is necessary in diving, the
idea of adding all the extra turbulence and drag of the large bungeed wings
is just too stupid to say much more about.  Ultimately, these bungeed wings
look good in the showroom to divers who don't know any better, and the fact
that they have bought them becomes scary when they show up for a potentially
dangerous dive.

Regards,
Dan Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 [mailto:Jack_Kreska-FJK003@em*.mo*.co*]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:19 PM
To: 'Dan L. Volker'
Cc: cavers@cavers.com
Subject: RE: Bondage Wings?/ Now 7 warning signs of cancer....


Thanks, Dan. I understand what you said, but having never tried the wings,
what's the problem with them?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan L. Volker [mailto:dan@sf*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:09 AM
> To: 'Kreska Jack-FJK003'; trey@ne*.co*
> Cc: cavers@cavers.com
> Subject: RE: Bondage Wings?/ Now 7 warning signs of cancer....
>
>
> The point George is making is that several visual clues exist
> that will help
> all of us to see accidents waiting to happen, and potentially
> this warning
> can be used  to intervene on some occasions.
>
> If you see a guy wearing bondage wings, about to step into a
> potentially
> dangerous  environment, a warning flag should go up for
> you----the fact that
> he is wearing it suggests to me  he is listening to the wrong
> people, and
> buying gear for its look in the showroom over its function
> underwater.  It
> should push you to look further, and see if the other "seven
> warning signs
> of cancer" are there as well---the more signs, the more
> likely you are to
> feel a responsibility to intervene....1. stuffed long
> hose...2. Console
> with computer hanging down to knees, waiting for entanglement..3 large
> numbers of D-Rings sporting an assortment of dive gear which
> does not belong
> with him on this dive, along with bondage wings...4. stage
> bottle hanging on
> each side of him...5. Instead of tank markings, poodle
> jackets or color
> scheming...6. Wearing Original Force fins or newer bio fins,
> and oblivious
> to the shame of it :-) ...7 ..and of course, if he has a
> Spare Air strapped
> on :-)
>
> Actually, the list could be larger, but the idea is, bad mind
> sets and poor
> skill sets are going to correlate well with certain gear choices and
> configurations.  We see this time and time again with the
> past deaths.  No,
> the bondage wings themselves did not kill this guy; but the
> mindset that
> allowed him to wear gear like this will suggest to many of us that an
> accident will be following this guy--if not today, in his foreseeable
> future....
>
> When a guy dies and someone asks if he was wearing bondage
> wings, you might
> interpret this like seeing a car crash going the wrong way on
> an Interstate,
> and asking if the guy was drunk....
>
> Dan Volker
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 [mailto:Jack_Kreska-FJK003@em*.mo*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:55 AM
> To: 'trey@ne*.co*'
> Cc: 'cavers@cavers.com'
> Subject: RE: Bondage Wings?
>
>
> Gee, George, or Pal, when did I ever recommend bondage wings?
> As far as what
> I use, how would you have any idea, we've never met and I
> seriously doubt
> you've ever seen me dive since I'm not qualified to do the
> type of diving
> you do.
>
> Your arrogance and conceit don't contribute to the sport
> much. I simply
> asked how bondage wings could have contributed to his death
> and all you
> "superior divers" respond as if I'm supposed to know or I'm
> stupid and a
> stroke for not knowing. Since I've never tried them, how
> should I know?
>
> Now, how about a reasonable response from someone? Maybe Bill
> Mee, he seems
> to be able to converse intelligently.
>
> Jack
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
> > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:37 AM
> > To: Kreska Jack-FJK003
> > Cc: 'Pete J Stueve'; cavers@cavers.com
> > Subject: Re: Bondage Wings?
> >
> >
> > Gee, Jack, I don't know. Let's see here. We have a fine
> > performance by a
> > pair of real pros : one who obviously can't dive and dies
> proving it,
> > and a true stroke who leaves buddy per the Rennaker "who is the most
> > improtant diver" mentality.
> >
> > Let me ask you this , Jack, what kidn of MORON uses bondage
> wings? Is
> > this an example, or what?
> >
> > Look, pal, I am real sick of you and the mentality you
> represent. You
> > don't get it. People are dying and you geniuses can't see the big
> > picture. The big picture is that most of you have no clue how
> > to do any
> > of this, and you are all honding hands in your ingnorance and trying
> > desperately to defend your bullshit practices, bullshit thinking ,
> > bullshit gear, and bullshit instruction - all contibuting factors to
> > this INEVEITABLE outcome in my opinion.
> >
> >
> > Kreska Jack-FJK003 wrote:
> > >
> > > What does that have to do with his death? Notice that he
> > still had air and
> > > the reg was out of his mouth. Seems like he panicked to me????
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Pete J Stueve [mailto:pstueve@ju*.co*]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:55 AM
> > > > To: cavers@cavers.com
> > > > Subject: Bondage Wings?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > George asked a couple days ago was the guy at Little
> River wearing
> > > > bondage wings.  Yes, the dead diver was indeed wearing
> > bondage wings.
> > > >
> > > > pete
> > > >
> >
> >
>

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