The point George is making is that several visual clues exist that will help
all of us to see accidents waiting to happen, and potentially this warning
can be used  to intervene on some occasions.

If you see a guy wearing bondage wings, about to step into a potentially
dangerous  environment, a warning flag should go up for you----the fact that
he is wearing it suggests to me  he is listening to the wrong people, and
buying gear for its look in the showroom over its function underwater.  It
should push you to look further, and see if the other "seven warning signs
of cancer" are there as well---the more signs, the more likely you are to
feel a responsibility to intervene....1. stuffed long  hose...2. Console
with computer hanging down to knees, waiting for entanglement..3 large
numbers of D-Rings sporting an assortment of dive gear which does not belong
with him on this dive, along with bondage wings...4. stage bottle hanging on
each side of him...5. Instead of tank markings, poodle jackets or color
scheming...6. Wearing Original Force fins or newer bio fins, and oblivious
to the shame of it :-) ...7 ..and of course, if he has a Spare Air strapped
on :-)

Actually, the list could be larger, but the idea is, bad mind sets and poor
skill sets are going to correlate well with certain gear choices and
configurations.  We see this time and time again with the past deaths.  No,
the bondage wings themselves did not kill this guy; but the mindset that
allowed him to wear gear like this will suggest to many of us that an
accident will be following this guy--if not today, in his foreseeable
future....

When a guy dies and someone asks if he was wearing bondage wings, you might
interpret this like seeing a car crash going the wrong way on an Interstate,
and asking if the guy was drunk....

Dan Volker


-----Original Message-----
From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 [mailto:Jack_Kreska-FJK003@em*.mo*.co*]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:55 AM
To: 'trey@ne*.co*'
Cc: 'cavers@cavers.com'
Subject: RE: Bondage Wings?


Gee, George, or Pal, when did I ever recommend bondage wings? As far as what
I use, how would you have any idea, we've never met and I seriously doubt
you've ever seen me dive since I'm not qualified to do the type of diving
you do.

Your arrogance and conceit don't contribute to the sport much. I simply
asked how bondage wings could have contributed to his death and all you
"superior divers" respond as if I'm supposed to know or I'm stupid and a
stroke for not knowing. Since I've never tried them, how should I know?

Now, how about a reasonable response from someone? Maybe Bill Mee, he seems
to be able to converse intelligently.

Jack

> -----Original Message-----
> From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:37 AM
> To: Kreska Jack-FJK003
> Cc: 'Pete J Stueve'; cavers@cavers.com
> Subject: Re: Bondage Wings?
>
>
> Gee, Jack, I don't know. Let's see here. We have a fine
> performance by a
> pair of real pros : one who obviously can't dive and dies proving it,
> and a true stroke who leaves buddy per the Rennaker "who is the most
> improtant diver" mentality.
>
> Let me ask you this , Jack, what kidn of MORON uses bondage wings? Is
> this an example, or what?
>
> Look, pal, I am real sick of you and the mentality you represent. You
> don't get it. People are dying and you geniuses can't see the big
> picture. The big picture is that most of you have no clue how
> to do any
> of this, and you are all honding hands in your ingnorance and trying
> desperately to defend your bullshit practices, bullshit thinking ,
> bullshit gear, and bullshit instruction - all contibuting factors to
> this INEVEITABLE outcome in my opinion.
>
>
> Kreska Jack-FJK003 wrote:
> >
> > What does that have to do with his death? Notice that he
> still had air and
> > the reg was out of his mouth. Seems like he panicked to me????
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Pete J Stueve [mailto:pstueve@ju*.co*]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:55 AM
> > > To: cavers@cavers.com
> > > Subject: Bondage Wings?
> > >
> > >
> > > George asked a couple days ago was the guy at Little River wearing
> > > bondage wings.  Yes, the dead diver was indeed wearing
> bondage wings.
> > >
> > > pete
> > >
>
>

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