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Hypohippo, You are confusing "glee" with "the hope that reality will sink in..." Sadly, too many dangerous ideas and practices still get propagated by the usual suspects, and what appears to you as rivalry between two camps, is really a struggle to get "Life and Death" messages out so they can be heard, understood, accepted, and so lives will be saved. If you knew of a kayak team that had new recruits tied in to their whitewater boats in class IV water ( ostensibly to prevent falling out in an unplanned roll), I would hope you and your friends would speak out against this stupidity, and that with each new death that occurred (in which one of the new recruits was unable to roll back upright, and subsequently drowned), you and your friends would renew the "Wakeup Call" that this practice is wrong, stupid, and killing people. If its originators refused to change, you might even begin to call them negligent murderers, or worse... Dan Volker -----Original Message----- From: Hypohippo@ao*.co* [mailto:Hypohippo@ao*.co*] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:09 PM To: cavers@cavers.com Subject: Cave deaths As a member of this list for over two years I have read almost every posting during that time frame. I have watched everything from the extremely heated discussions on "deep air" to the discussions of the WK2 project and everything in between. However, everytime a cave diver is killed it is interesting how the "two sides" can't wait to jump on the death bandwagon and start playing the blame game on how they died, whose fault it was, and "what a stroke they were for having died." I personally participate in a variety of activities which most of the general public would consider "extreme sports." Some of these activities include: mountain climbing, rock climbing, and white water kayaking to name a few. In each of these "extreme sports" people die every single year. One of the things I have noticed is that in none of these other sports, which all have newsgroups like this one, does anyone "faction" take such glee in the death of person. Sadly this is not the case with this group. As with any death in any "extreme sport," the cause of death can be blamed in a dozen different ways i.e. the 1996 Everest disaster for example. The bottom line is cave diving is dangerous and people will continue to die as long as their are caves to dive in just like people will continue to die on mountains as long as people continue to climb them. My only request is when a "cave death" occurs you opposing factions out there stop taking such glee and seeing how many people or things you can blame. The bottom line is no one has EVER been forced to go cave diving.
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