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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:28:21 -0500
To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
From: Skip MacElhannon <skipmac@cs*.co*>
Subject: Re: G-250 rebuild
Cc: cavers@cavers.com
I tried to sign up for the ScubaPro repair clinic at the dealer in
Gainesville and was told it was for employees, dealers, etc ONLY.  Even
though I have spent a lot of money with that shop over the years I was told
that I could not even be allowed to sit in on the class.

I asked Errol about this last time I was in Ft. Lauderdale and he said he
would talk to Robert and see if an "unofficial" clinic could be arranged,
maybe on one of the weekends in Tallahassee.  I know a lot of team members
would be interested.

Even if getting the parts proves impossible I would like to know how to
work on my on regs, just so I can make sure the local shop does it right
when I take it to them.


At 05:26 AM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>John, I think they sell to anyone who takes the ( free ) clinic. This
>prevents the kind of monkery that surfaces like putting the 200 seat in
>the 250 reg - a popular piece of stupidty that went on for a while which
>causes the poppet to slip by and fail the reg in the off position ( the
>tubes in the 190 ( or metal ) version are not the same size as the 250
>version , a subtle difference.
>
>Most of what causes the 250 seat to wear improperly involves improper
>installation adjustment, and use. The other common problem is letting
>the reg dry out too much which causes the orifice o-ring to dry up and
>let gas hiss by ( not the seat at all).
>
>The 250 is the premier reg for decompression - it keeps the WOB to a
>minimum on what amounts to the longest and highest ppo2 point in the
>dive.
>
>
>John Dunk wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:52:33 GMT, you wrote:
>> 
>> >My SCUBA Pro G-250 second stage is starting to free flow if I tune it
>> >almost any more then all the way in. I looked at the seat and it is
>> >fairly indented. I do all of my own work on my regs and have been
>> >extremely successful in changing seats and adjusting my Zeagle/Apex
>> >regs. I asked about just getting that part from one of the local dealers
>> >but was told that they are not allowed to sell just parts and that I
>> >would have to have it serviced. I can understand the policy to protect
>> >the average person from themselves, but it seams a bit too heavy handed
>> >to contractually stop shops from selling parts to the general public if
>> >they reasonable know what they are doing. I certainly don't need to
>> >spend 50-60 dollars replacing the seat (actually the entire stem since
>> >it seams to be glued on) when I can comfortable do my own work.
>> >Does anyone have a rebuild kit for the regulator? I probably want to
>> >pick up a couple extra for future use and would gladly pay whatever they
>> >usually sell for. I just don't think it is worth having someone do it
>> >for me; kind of like asking someone to mix my tanks and label them for
>> >me.
>> 
>> Mitch, this has been Scubapro policy & my pet peeve for over 20 years.
>>    They (Scubapro) have made some of the most reliable &
>> hi-performance regs I have ever used. But their parts policies IMHO
>> are abusive in the extreme. They threaten their dealers with loss of
>> franchise if those dealers sell parts to anyone except someone who has
>> completed one of their repair clinics, I.E., someone that works for or
>> owns a Scubapro franchise.I worked for such a shop several years ago,
>> and had the credentials, but they stayed in Michigan when I moved to
>> Florida, so back to Square One.
>>     If  you want to work on your own Scubapro regs, you are forced to
>> either find a sympathetic dealer who will take the risk & sell you
>> parts, or pay for a complete regulator overhaul & then redo it
>> yourself.
>>    I gave up letting dealers work on my regs when I watched one attack
>> mine with a 15-inch crescent wrench & a vise (chrome plated brass
>> doesn't respond well to that kind of force)
>>     As for me, I'm considering switching to the Oceanic. It's a clone
>> of the old Scubapro Mk V adjustable; a real workhorse (I still have a
>> MK V over 20 years old I use every week) but I understand shops like
>> Lloyd Bailey's will sell you parts to these.
>> Good Luck
>> 
>>    John Dunk                                        o
>>    Lake City,Fl                                      o
>>    screwloo@is*.ne*                     ____o_____
> 




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