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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:55:05 -0500
To: Skip MacElhannon <skipmac@cs*.co*>
CC: cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: G-250 rebuild
Check with Tomsits on this - he knows the whole story. To tell you the
truth, I have a bag of parts will last forever, but I ususaly just drop
my regs off with the local experts ( Jerry at Brownies for Scuba Pro )
other than Poseiden which I do my self since it is so easy.


Skip MacElhannon wrote:
> 
> I tried to sign up for the ScubaPro repair clinic at the dealer in
> Gainesville and was told it was for employees, dealers, etc ONLY.  Even
> though I have spent a lot of money with that shop over the years I was told
> that I could not even be allowed to sit in on the class.
> 
> I asked Errol about this last time I was in Ft. Lauderdale and he said he
> would talk to Robert and see if an "unofficial" clinic could be arranged,
> maybe on one of the weekends in Tallahassee.  I know a lot of team members
> would be interested.
> 
> Even if getting the parts proves impossible I would like to know how to
> work on my on regs, just so I can make sure the local shop does it right
> when I take it to them.
> 
> At 05:26 AM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >John, I think they sell to anyone who takes the ( free ) clinic. This
> >prevents the kind of monkery that surfaces like putting the 200 seat in
> >the 250 reg - a popular piece of stupidty that went on for a while which
> >causes the poppet to slip by and fail the reg in the off position ( the
> >tubes in the 190 ( or metal ) version are not the same size as the 250
> >version , a subtle difference.
> >
> >Most of what causes the 250 seat to wear improperly involves improper
> >installation adjustment, and use. The other common problem is letting
> >the reg dry out too much which causes the orifice o-ring to dry up and
> >let gas hiss by ( not the seat at all).
> >
> >The 250 is the premier reg for decompression - it keeps the WOB to a
> >minimum on what amounts to the longest and highest ppo2 point in the
> >dive.
> >
> >
> >John Dunk wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:52:33 GMT, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >My SCUBA Pro G-250 second stage is starting to free flow if I tune it
> >> >almost any more then all the way in. I looked at the seat and it is
> >> >fairly indented. I do all of my own work on my regs and have been
> >> >extremely successful in changing seats and adjusting my Zeagle/Apex
> >> >regs. I asked about just getting that part from one of the local dealers
> >> >but was told that they are not allowed to sell just parts and that I
> >> >would have to have it serviced. I can understand the policy to protect
> >> >the average person from themselves, but it seams a bit too heavy handed
> >> >to contractually stop shops from selling parts to the general public if
> >> >they reasonable know what they are doing. I certainly don't need to
> >> >spend 50-60 dollars replacing the seat (actually the entire stem since
> >> >it seams to be glued on) when I can comfortable do my own work.
> >> >Does anyone have a rebuild kit for the regulator? I probably want to
> >> >pick up a couple extra for future use and would gladly pay whatever they
> >> >usually sell for. I just don't think it is worth having someone do it
> >> >for me; kind of like asking someone to mix my tanks and label them for
> >> >me.
> >>
> >> Mitch, this has been Scubapro policy & my pet peeve for over 20 years.
> >>    They (Scubapro) have made some of the most reliable &
> >> hi-performance regs I have ever used. But their parts policies IMHO
> >> are abusive in the extreme. They threaten their dealers with loss of
> >> franchise if those dealers sell parts to anyone except someone who has
> >> completed one of their repair clinics, I.E., someone that works for or
> >> owns a Scubapro franchise.I worked for such a shop several years ago,
> >> and had the credentials, but they stayed in Michigan when I moved to
> >> Florida, so back to Square One.
> >>     If  you want to work on your own Scubapro regs, you are forced to
> >> either find a sympathetic dealer who will take the risk & sell you
> >> parts, or pay for a complete regulator overhaul & then redo it
> >> yourself.
> >>    I gave up letting dealers work on my regs when I watched one attack
> >> mine with a 15-inch crescent wrench & a vise (chrome plated brass
> >> doesn't respond well to that kind of force)
> >>     As for me, I'm considering switching to the Oceanic. It's a clone
> >> of the old Scubapro Mk V adjustable; a real workhorse (I still have a
> >> MK V over 20 years old I use every week) but I understand shops like
> >> Lloyd Bailey's will sell you parts to these.
> >> Good Luck
> >>
> >>    John Dunk                                        o
> >>    Lake City,Fl                                      o
> >>    screwloo@is*.ne*                     ____o_____
> >


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