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billy ,
lets see if we can conduct this conversation without resorting to name
calling & the like please.
what is wrong with you? please re-read my post to you the First thing i said
(& mark did also):
****************(SNIP)******************
<<billy,
<<i can recognize this a a concept that is beyond your understanding. &
you
are <<correct you & most others should not attempt it. i have no quarrel
with you in this.
there is no one that i know that uses progressive penetration that RECOMMENDS
IT as the only viable technique. they use it in most wreck diving situations
(NOT ALL).
i will be happy to explain the rational behind the technique but before i do
i'd like to lay down a few rules.
1- please read with an open mind
2- don't put words in my mouth that i don't say (or imply)
4- no name calling.
if you think that the technique has no merit by all means it is your right
(&obligation) to not use it.
i have no desire to have to go into a wreck & find someone who did not follow
yours or my technique & proceeds to kill themselves.
what do you say?
hank
In a message dated 97-01-18 00:06:03 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: My goodness!
Date: 97-01-18 00:06:03 EST
From: billy@ha*.co*.au*
To: GarlooEnt@ao*.co*
CC: mwelzel@st*.co*, wahoo-capt.janet@ju*.co*, wahoo-diving@ju*.co*,
techdiver@te*.ne*, wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com
At 01:42 AM 17/01/1997 -0500, GarlooEnt@ao*.co* wrote:
>billy,
>i can recognize this a a concept that is
>beyond your understanding.
Hank, the idea of only going into a wreck as far as
you think you can get back out from is easy to understand.
It is also a very stupid idea that has killed many divers.
Welzel actively promotes this dangerous bullshit. And you
support him. Now that cind of stupidity is definitely
beyond my understanding. Unless you and he share a macabre
sense of humour.
Tell me why you think its such a good idea to discourage
the use of guidelines during penetration dives. Give me
one rational reason.
>but you happen to mention the body count on the Doria.
> i am assuming that since you made that statement you
>have some knowledge about them. perhaps you could share
>it with us.
>How many of the last 4 or five of these were cave
>trained & how many were just plain old wreck divers??
You know, the exact body count on the Doria isn't easy to
find - as you guys try to keep it quiet. And I'm not
surprised. But as far as the last four (or five) being
cave trained- that's irrelevant to my argument and
to yours.
If you really want to add to the debate tell us what
percent of the Doria's Diving Dead were inside without
guidelines.
And don't forget, guidelines might have also helped
some of the "Whacked Out Of My Brain On Deep Air
But Shit, I Can Figure Out How To Get Out Of Here" crew.
rgrds billyw
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